Hello Gentlemen. Now we begin.

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Psyc Ops

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We have come from an "addicted to X" model, whatever X is, to the X does not matter so much, and  what we are addicted to is what X triggers, a dopamine pleasure response, regardless of X.  Sure, each addiction trigger, your X, my X, her X, may be different, but what all addicts are addicted to is the brain reaction the trigger leads to.  This is an interview with Judith Grisel, whom I love, who has her PhD in Neuropsychology AND is an addict (recovering), so she both can discuss the problem from a neurological perspective (and that is the ONLY perspective that explains addiction--forget your mommy and daddy problems), and she knows what we have all felt, because she has felt it.


Click on the link, and once open, go down and click on "listen".  Remember, while we currently define our addictons as X, X is only the trigger, the thing we are addicted to is the underlying brain event, the doamine event, regarless of X. 


https://www.npr.org/books/authors/693817367/judith-grisel
 

Sooraj

New Member
When I get this high urge it's like my rational part of brain just shut down for few minutes and I just go watch porn like a zombie , afterwards I feel so horrible . I don't know how to bypass that situation. Pls help
 

Mike7777777

New Member
I just read William's post titled 'Now we begin.' Thank you for it. I am trying to get sober from PMO and have been for years. Your post was helpful and I have the videos you recommended lined up to be watched.

The fact is, I have tried to quit this addiction for years: on my own, with SAA, and also with an accountability buddy. So far ally my attempts have failed. I am trying again. I have 7 days on the beam (and I am definitely in the withdrawal phase) and I want to succeed this time. I have to succeed this time. This addiction feels has cost me so much (too much to detail here.)

I am in my 50's and have been addicted to PMO since childhood. I am looking for a support network. Any men out there who have been through this, your friendship, counsel, insights are all welcome.

I am ready to Begin.
 

bob

Respected Member
Glad to see this thread up again. Makes me realize that all of us have the ability to leave this past life; what ever it is.

I finally understand the message. Maybe it is the support of my wife, maybe it is the time spent in the struggle, maybe it is the counseling or time spent in a 12 step (SAA). Whatever the cause, I am glad to be on the other side and moving forward.

This isn't to say that this struggle is completely gone. It hasn't. What it has been is packed in a trunk and placed in the attic. It is still there and will continue to stay there if I continue to work on the process of changing my life. Please note, I didn't say that the change was attributed to staying away from pmo. The change comes from giving your life meaning in other ways. Taking away the pmo and replacing it with positive goals and activities. The pathways in my brain need to be relaxed and diminish but other positive activites have to take the place of pmo. The pmo has to be eliminated but that in itself is not success.

Peace to all who have succeeded and those who continue with this struggle. Life is better without pmo.
 

akpal2

Well-Known Member
I am sad to see william leave this forum. To me, he was the single greatest poster and inspiration on this forum and probably the biggest reason that I came out of the PIED for the first time.

I did lapse a few times but came out again. Still struggling to leave it behind completely but hopefully I get to my goal soon.

William (along with Wilson, Gabe etc) showed me it's possible and william's writing was by far the most inspirational. He will be missed here but I am going to keep referring to this thread from time to time to help along this hard journey.
 

pigcam

New Member
Everything is very open and very clear explanation of issues. was truly information. Your website is very useful. Thanks for sharing.
 

AvRF28

New Member
Hello everyone, I'm new to this site! Thank you very much for the posts, and congratulations for the victory.

As I said, I'm new to the world of NoFat, and I'm still not sure how to act, what to do to avoid all triggers since the addiction is a bunch of people, I need help and direction even from a friend to walk together. Today is my first day without pornography and I intend to spend 90 days whatever it costs.
 

mr.slurps

Active Member
Hi Art, Well, today is my first day here. I'm 60! Yeah you read that correctly. I'm going for 90 also. Not sure yet how to post but it let me respond. I'd be happy to keep up w/ your progress/story and perhaps become friends. 
 

Billy T. Kidd

New Member
Hi Guys. This post is dedicated to Gary Wilson, who I just learned had passed.

I overcame this problem years ago, but the problem is still of interest to me.

Like most, I initially did not think of porn as a problem for a long time. I probably conceived it as about as problematic as video gaming, until I tried to quit it. I mean really quit it. That is when I knew I had a problem, but I did not really know what the problem was. I just knew that stopping viewing porn and quitting PMO seemed impossible and painful.

Like most of you, once I conceived of this behavior as a problem, I got very serious about researching my problem, and that is when I found Gary Wilson. His Great Porn Experiment video opened my eyes, like when Neo takes the pill....


Yes, the solution to this problem is CHOICE.

By the way, The Great Porn Experiment. Newbies ought to be required to watch it and test into the site before being allowed to become members. Here it is:


If you do not understand the basic concepts in the above video, you will not overcome this problem. If you do understand the basic concepts, you might find a way out. Watch it, study it. Know yourself.

I remember struggling with quitting, and, really, in total ignorance of what I was trying to quit, when I found the video, and suddenly my eyes were opened. It allowed me to understand why I, and you, and every other homo sapien on the planet, are motivated by instinctual, naturally occurring, instinctual urges that are hardwired to motivate us to do some very simple and necessary things, like, reproduce, and how we (us, humanity) had found ways of triggering those neurological reward events via artificial stimulation, in this case artificial sexual stimulation, the way we can use drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, food, gambling, and, of course, porn.

It was still hard to quit, but once I understood what I was quitting (using porn to get high--it is the high that is addictive, porn never was), it was suddenly, for the first time since I recognized the problem, doable. This high, by the way, is a neurological reward and motivational event that happens in the brain in response to sexual thought. The species got that long before we invented porn, but the invention of High Speed Internet Porn made getting that high so much more efficient.

Gary Wilson's studies of this problem, and his publications on the topic, may, actually, have saved my life, and on some levels undoubtedly did.

If you are reading this and you are serious about quitting, read Gary Wilson. If you are not serious about quitting, don't bother, because to quit, you have to be serious.

Shout out for Gary Wilson.

Thank you Sir. You helped.

WilliamOneAndDone.
WillIAM
Billy the Kid
WILL
1ANDDONE

Much love to all.
 
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