Orbiters Journal of Recovery

Phineas 808

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Orbiter, I say this as one who must do the same in his day-to-day, especially when urges arise:

Don't manage urges, dismiss them. Don't even resist them, dismiss them.

Sometimes when we fight urges, we're really responding to them, and the habit-pattern simply repeats itself.

Acknowledge them without judgement, be aware of the physiological reactions (pulse rate, shallow breathing, etc), and then breathe slowly and deeply until the urges pass.

When or if the next wave of urges come, repeat the above. 

 

Orbiter

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Thanks for dropping by Shade & Happy New Year to you all!

It has been some time on here so I guess I will briefly discuss how i've been doing recovery-wise. I took a break from the forum for a month or so as I felt I wanted to give some other areas of life my attention and felt the cycle of posting I was in was cementing my weekly relapse cycle I was stuck in.

So in brief, I had three great weeks PMO free and one bad week (i.e the previous week) where I had several unfortunate relapses. Amongst other things, I felt it was a sign that I need to return and seek out some accountability & support from you all again. I attribute the triggers/cues over the last week to anxiety about returning to work from my break, some difficult circumstances & problems over the holiday period, quitting smoking over this period & excessive socialising i.e too much alcohol, too little sleep, not looking after myself.

I have been fairly consistent with keeping the phone out of the bedroom but I still find I am taking my laptop to bed to watch Youtube, watch shows, listen to podcasts, read stuff etc. This is clearly something I need to stop doing ASAP starting from today. I've done it before with the phone so I know I can do it again with the laptop, I just need to start.

Over the three week period where I was clean, I focused on responding to triggers/cues in a way that Phineas has been discussing and, while I clearly still need to improve in this area, I felt like I am making progress in this area and this is the way forward.

Another observation I have found is when I am triggered or relapsing, I don't feel the 'rush' I used to. I remember in the past, I would feel the tension/energy swimming around in the chest and almost a tingling sensation in the brain when I lapsed after a long period of time, like a mild MDMA high. This is something I do not seem to get anymore, even after a period of three weeks. The relapses of recent seem to be purely behaviour based as I am often bored even during it and I don't seem to get particularly strong erections during relapses even after a long time clean anymore.

I don't know if this is progress or that i'm finally so de-sensitized that not even P does it for me anymore. I hope it's the former or just a long, aggravated flatline but more often these days I feel I don't really know where I am really at on this journey.
 

Orbiter

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It is day 2 for me today. I don't really know what to write in this journal entry today but I felt the need to come here and post something all the same.

My mood & energy is quite low as it usually is at this stage after a week of relapses.

Thoughts concerning the relative 'inertia' of my recovery have been weighing heavy on my mind. It has been so many years, so many people on these forums have come and gone, moved on to new stages in their life and i'm still here. I feel I have wasted so much time and squandered so much opportunity due to this addiction.

Am I serious about this? I FEEL i'm serious enough as i've devoted over 9 years of my life to recovering from this addiction but perhaps I am not. Am I simply not strong enough to meaningfully commit to this? Why after everything am I still here, still posting the same old thoughts and the same old story again and again?
 

imsorrynotsorry

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Hey Orbiter,

It's right you being here. I was all alone when i worked my cycles of relapsing and rebooting. Some people are here in this forum, talking about whats going on with them and others keep it to themselfes.
This fight differs over every period. Maybe it's more difficult in the beginning and easier afterwards.
In the end there's only one way: stop PMO and get your own brain back.

Imsor
 

Orbiter

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You're right. It's true we all have our circumstances and perhaps i'm somewhat projecting my insecurities of my current state of recovery onto this perceived success of others.

Thanks Imsor, I really needed that today.
 

Pdub

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Hey Orbiter,

Recovery from addiction is a different road for all of us.  Ask anyone who has gone through the process and they will tell you a similar story.  Most of us don't change right away.  It's a gradual change over time through patience, work, and dedication to being a better person.  After reading some of your journal I can tell you do want to change.  Finding those triggers and learning how to avoid them is the only way I've been successful in my own journey.  That or having some compensating measures like taking a cold shower and lifting weights ;)

Good luck, friend.  We're all rooting for you and want you to succeed.
 

Phineas 808

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Hi, Orbiter.

These are very important questions you're asking yourself and your journal. The answers for which only you can provide, and the more deeper you ask, the more honest (to yourself) the answers will be.

Asking myself these kind of questions has helped the 'quality' of my own recovery efforts.

Be merciful to yourself overall, as to your journey. Heck, if I look at my journey as a whole, counting the times when I didn't even really try, it's about 28 years- almost 3 decades! So, how down should I be on myself? I can't condemn myself for the past, all I can do is be a better person today. But part of that better person is digging in, and seriously affecting my habits for the better.

(side note: my journey didn't have to take so long, had to find what works)

Good job!
 

Orbiter

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Thanks PDub and Phineas

You're right. There needs to be a measure of grace & self-forgiveness regardless of where I am in this journey. It is the opposite of progress/productivity to beat myself up over a relapse as that merely cements the cycle.

Today feels very similar to yesterday. Better days lie ahead though i'm sure.

Wishing you all well.
 

Phineas 808

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You can do it, Orbiter! The sooner you bounce back, the better! (self-forgiveness is key)

Assess what happened, what could have been difference, what part of your plan you could change or tweak so that it better serves you.

Is it a matter of resolve? Dig deep to ascertain how you can be more sharp, more focused.

Walking with you in your journey!
 

Aussie_85

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Hey man,

Sorry to see your struggling with relapses - I've found sometimes it's impossible once you hit that weird autopilot stage where you just can't seem to stop, then the days roll into weeks and you beat yourself up about it.

Try and go for one day, be proud of yourself, then the next....after about a week the autopilot ( for me ) seems to get more manageable.

all the best.
 

akpal2

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hey orbiter, i notice that you started your journey back in 2017 when I had recovered and now I am back with a relapse. Trying to kick off porn is tough. Some people found it easier to kick off cocaine compared to porn. So that's that.
 

Orbiter

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Thanks for the support guys, it means a lot. Unfortunately I relapsed three more times yesterday.

Phineas808 - Practical & sound advice as always. To get back out of this, I need to focus on the practical and not fall into the usual trap of self-depreciation and despairing of recovery. That's what makes one slip become many. I have some thoughts on what I should be doing and where things are going wrong.

Aussie_85 - Thanks for dropping by and for your support. Though we didn't interact much, I remember you from YBR days years ago. Porn Addiction not withstanding, it's good to see your doing so well. I feel you've come a long way from those days, hopefully I have as well.

Spot on with the 'one day at a time' advice. I think, especially in the first week, the chaser effect is so strong throughout it's super important to stay busy, plan out the days and keep doing that at least until we've got a bit of momentum.

Akpal2 - I actually discovered YBOP and made the decision to quit late April 2012. In that time, though there have been moments, I have been unable to meaningfully recover in that time.

Last month I quit cigarettes after smoking (with a couple of breaks) for almost 20 years, though this might actually be contributing to my relapses, quitting an addiction like that is childs play in comparison to quitting PMO.

If I am to move forward, I need to stop dwelling on this sort of stuff though. At the end of the day, it's as simple as there's a habit I need to quit, i'm at point A and I need to get to point B. The past is the past.
 

Orbiter

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DAY 1

As I stated in the above response. I relapsed 3 more times yesterday. There are a few reasons I can identify.

    * The laptop was in bed - I went three or so days this time making sure I didn't have the laptop in bed either in the morning or at night before I went to sleep. The relapse the day before started in the late morning, the beginning of yesterdays binge started in the morning. Both with the laptop in bed. This habit has been surprisingly difficult to kick. I believe addressing this will make a positive difference in staying clean.

    * No planned activities or routine on days off - Self explanatory.

    * Lack of sleep - The heat in my area of the world has been bad lately and due to the angle of my unit and the lack of air-conditioning, it is about 5-8 degrees hotter inside than outside, this extends into the night time as not enough air circulates through to cool the place down. Heat can't be helped but I need to find a way to start getting better sleep.

    * Relief - The week passed was supposed to be a difficult one that I was dreading. It was my first week back at work after the Christmas holidays and also the week where I sought out my health plan for some (long overdue) counselling. Both went well and the relief of stress probably lead to me relaxing my guard and my lower brain wanting to 'celebrate'

    * Heartache/closure - I have mentioned a couple of times in the past a good friend of mine who I have feelings for who has indicated in the past she may feel the same. I brought this up and asked her about it two days ago, she said she did not feel that way and it was just some harmless fun. She was kind about it and I feel I took it well but I would be lying if I said i'm not affected by this.


Identifying this is all well and good, and I need to guage where my head is at, but there needs to be some practical change. I am currently writing this using my laptop at the breakfast table, I will make sure not to have the laptop in bed today or tonight. Other than that, I am going to write myself out a checklist of activities for the day. I feel if I can have a clean, productive day today and get a bit of momentum back, I can at the very least put myself in a better position for tomorrow. If any urges come about, I will identify them in my head, practice the deep breathing and work through it until they are gone.
 

Aussie_85

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Hey bro now that you mention YBR your name deffo rings a bell - and I'm guessing your an Aussie as well from the weather your experiencing  :p I'm not Aussie_Mikey aka "crazy mike" just to clarify lol.

Good work on quitting smoking, your right about it being a piece of piss compared to porn.

Good luck for your first day mate, use every mental tool you can think of to not use - when urges hit, remember and really force yourself to think "This is a fake unrewarding thing and ill feel like shit after it" repeat it 40 times if you have to in your mind - or out loud  ::)

hoping the best for you.

 

imsorrynotsorry

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Hey Orbiter,

Writing you some advices from my perspective. At first it's about to overcome the period where the chaser is strongest. Let's say 30 days. If then there's a relapse that's ok. For you, it's now about to find out what you can do to manage the chaser.

- eliminate triggers. Absolutely no phone or laptop in bed in evenings or mornings
- exercise 2-3 times a week
- cold shower when urges appear
- meditation and accepting. Sitting there and let go
- maybe do everything that makes a relapse only a little bit more different, like website blockers or screen time on phone
- delete unecessary apps to reduce time on phone
- picture your new self, the new man Orbiter

This is life changing, but remember, you only have to work that out for 30 days to be smarter afterwards. Whatever then happens is ok.

All the best
 

SebUK

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Some very good advice in the above two posts!

Lack of sleep is definitely an issue for me too (Australia). It is super hot. During my last streak I was MO'ing to get to sleep, which wasn't ideal. Currently I'm just staying up later, which isn't really a long-term solution. I even thought about sleeping in the lounge where the aircon is!

100% agree you need to get the laptop out of your bedroom. Make your bedroom an internet free zone maybe. I have done that and it helps. Sometimes I cheat but generally I stick to it, and it makes it easier to avoid relapsing.
 

Phineas 808

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To get back out of this, I need to focus on the practical and not fall into the usual trap of self-depreciation and despairing of recovery. That's what makes one slip become many. I have some thoughts on what I should be doing and where things are going wrong.

Last month I quit cigarettes after smoking (with a couple of breaks) for almost 20 years, though this might actually be contributing to my relapses, quitting an addiction like that is childs play in comparison to quitting PMO.

If I am to move forward, I need to stop dwelling on this sort of stuff though. At the end of the day, it's as simple as there's a habit I need to quit, i'm at point A and I need to get to point B. The past is the past.

Identifying this is all well and good, and I need to guage where my head is at, but there needs to be some practical change. I am currently writing this using my laptop at the breakfast table, I will make sure not to have the laptop in bed today or tonight. Other than that, I am going to write myself out a checklist of activities for the day. I feel if I can have a clean, productive day today and get a bit of momentum back, I can at the very least put myself in a better position for tomorrow. If any urges come about, I will identify them in my head, practice the deep breathing and work through it until they are gone.

Some quick points I wished to focus on...

So glad to hear you say this, to get away from self-deprecation. I know it sucks to lapse, but the sooner you can non-judgmentally see it, the better. You've simply habituated yourself to certain behaviors (with it's hijacked reward system) that doesn't serve your purposes in life. Look at it as an adventure on how you can hack into this, and change it.

Congrats on quitting smoking! I agree that this (P/MO) is a different animal, but the same principles apply- habit change. If you can hack into that former habit, then you can very well hack into this one, and change it. Just when it comes to food or sex, because they are legitimate needs, to become addicted (or habituated) to bad behaviors regarding these, they become more 'personal' habits. But the principles are the same, only consistency is needed (hence the need for streaks), and learning how to dismiss urges.

Exactly, it's a matter of going from point A to point B. When struggling, even in lieu of a lapse, see it as a compassionate outside observer. We have to be on our own side, if we're not in our own corner, who else can be? Sure, sometimes we're our own worse enemy, but we also have to be our best friend. Simply learn your patterns, and how you can- not force change- but hack into this, and change it from that standpoint of habits.

I saw your list above, and commend you for identifying what changes you can affect immediately to minimize the circumstances that would lead to mindlessly performing our rituals and habits. It's like, if you want to walk to the other side of the room (point A to point B), why would you spill water on the bare floor first? This is what's helped me in my latest recovery efforts is to change my habits around social media, iPhones, and being online in general.

You got this, Orbiter, and I'm excited to see the progress you're making! 
 

Orbiter

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Aussie_85 - Ahh you got me! Yes i'm also an Aussie...also from 85 too. Yeah I definitely didn't confuse you with Aussie_Mikey, that dude was doing, like...some serious next level rebooting I guess! (all power to him of course). Thanks for the solid advice. That's just where it is at this point, it's really getting through the grind of the first stages and building some momentum again. One foot forward as they say right?

SebNZ - Indeed the weathers terrible and the nights are just too much at the moment. I have no air conditioning at mine and my room is facing the sun at the worst time of the day so there's not much I can do at the moment. Re the laptop, I would be more than happy to make the room an internet free zone but unfortunately this is a very small place I share with another person + I work from home part of the week so I kind of need to use the space for work too. Still, i'm sticking to keeping everything out of sight & mind in the morning and the evening. It's tough as the temptations are strong on these hot nights. Sometimes we are tested and we just have to respond in kind.

Imsorrynotsorry - Spot on as usual. I should make this into a daily or weekly checklist. A well put, practical plan of action for sure!

Phineas808 - Thanks for dropping by and your continued insight & support. You're right in that this needs to be framed as a process of change that can be pro-actively worked on by (at least for the immediate future) tackling the fundamentals of life management & compassionate dismissal of urges. I am certainly better with the former than the latter but it's all part of the growing process is it not? Each time an urge is effectively dismissed, it becomes slightly weaker. I need to remember this in some of my darker states of mind.

DAY 2

Surviving the heat and the tests of the daily routine. I don't have much time today to post as much as I would like but i'm staying the course.
 
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