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GBS

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Cheers @Androg - she didn’t say a word when I got in about her therapy. I am often given to hyperbole when silence is upon us and I can overthink, but her mood seems calm and decent so I have inklings of optimism. Dangerous feeling as I have been here before and hopes have been dashed against sharp pointy rocks.

Changing the subject almost completely, there I was reading some trivial column earlier about my favourite football/soccer team in some local newspaper (online) and I scroll down and there’s a pop up article/advert that reads “Wanna see the latest lingerie for 2024?“ and accompanying this is a picture of a woman‘s crotch in a bikini bottom. Really? Thanks. Ok, ok….not like I haven’t had that temptation thrust upon me before, but two things….1) the timing really wasn’t great as I am getting frustrated again (note two weeks of semen retention) and with current situation in the balance it seems brutally cruel of God to send me this test, and 2) I almost clicked on it!!! I know that wouldn’t have been the most heinous crime, but that’s the brain working overtime……fuck off brain. Fuck porn instead. And I hope enjoy it. It has smelly breath, stinks of BO, and isn’t a good conversationalist.
 

GBS

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591 days sober
15 days no MO

Well, my wife revealed yesterday that she would agree to go forwards with couples counselling. Much more even handed than she was before when she had said she didn’t think there was any point. So we’re starting in 2 weeks time. She said something else that was classic gaslighting but I am rising above it and not going to pick her up on that. All in all very good news. I am always in a good mood when she is. Happy wife, happy life.

Stay sober kids.
 

Jlied

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Hi Geebs, I’m so very happy to hear that she is going to try couples counseling. Looks like she is overriding her stubbornness for the good of the relationship! You must keep us posted as to how things progress.
 

GBS

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My dear @Jlied - boring you lot utterly senseless with my mindless drivel and tedious life story is the thing that keeps me going. I am sure some people read my column just before they want to fall asleeeeeee………zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

GBS

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592 days sober
16 days no MO

Honestly, never better right now. Weird. I think I have been here before though. You get carried away thinking that her attitude seems to be headed the right way and then…..BOOM…..it goes pear-shaped. So keeping the lid on the optimism.

Thanks @Jlied for yellow thing above. Glad I got my mojo back.
 

joepanic

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591 days sober
15 days no MO

Well, my wife revealed yesterday that she would agree to go forwards with couples counselling. Much more even handed than she was before when she had said she didn’t think there was any point. So we’re starting in 2 weeks time. She said something else that was classic gaslighting but I am rising above it and not going to pick her up on that. All in all very good news. I am always in a good mood when she is. Happy wife, happy life.

Stay sober kids.
My wife and I have always subscribed to the "Happy spouse Happy house" it seems to really work for us
 

GBS

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Thanks @joepanic - this will sound pedantic but your phrase is way better than mine because ”spouse” is male or female. My (possibly British) one is far more cynical!
 

GBS

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594 days sober
18 days no MO

Read this article the other day: Thinking of sexual desire as an on/off switch isn’t helping anyone

Sexual desire is often confused with both libido and arousal. These three terms are usually used interchangeably but are rarely fully understood.

Libido is commonly used to describe sex drive, but is usually considered to be binary, meaning either high or low. Arousal is the collective term for the physical changes that prepare the body for sex, such as increased heart and breathing rates and increased blood flow to the genitals.

But medically, desire is a person’s desire for sex, which is a fluid situation.
Like many human behaviors, sex is a habit. However, there is no normal frequency and amount of sex that is good or bad. Rather, the frequency, duration and type of sex depends on what each individual finds pleasant.

People want and have sex for many different reasons. Classically, sexual desire has been viewed as a sex drive, with people having either a low drive or a high drive. This was assumed to be permanent and an integral part of all of us. However, this led to many women being falsely accused of having low sexual desire simply because they didn’t want sex as much as their partner.

This theory has been overtaken by the dual control model of sexual response. This states that there are two independent processes that affect our sexual response. One is exciting and activating, the other inhibiting and deactivating.

The balance between these two opposing processes determines our overall response at any given moment. This is like a car with an accelerator (exciting) and brake (inhibiting).

How much gas is accelerated and braked during sex varies from person to person and also varies within a person. People may have more gas or brakes overall, but every situation will be different. So desire is complex, individual and dynamic.

A closer look at the science of sexual desire shows that we can break it down into two different types – spontaneous desire and reactive desire. Spontaneous cravings are immediate and can occur with or without stimulation. The score is usually high when people are young and/or at the beginning of a new relationship or situation.

In contrast, responsive craving is a response to an external stimulus, such as a book you are reading or having dinner with your partner. In longer-term relationships, where spontaneous desire may have subsided, it tends to be greater.

These two types of desire are integrated into an alternative model that critically examines women’s sexual response. It acknowledges the two types of desire and explains that they can occur before or after arousal. That way, it better reflects how women feel, react to, and experience sex.


It also includes the key role of intimacy, namely physical and/or emotional closeness – and recognizes that this is often a powerful factor in motivating women to have sex.

Of course, there are also many biological, psychological, and social factors that can influence sexual desire.
If you suffer from a physical condition such as joint pain, vulvodynia (a condition that causes pain, burning, or discomfort in the vulva), or urogenital symptoms of menopause that cause pain during sex, you’ll be immediately put off.

This will affect the next experience and put you off even more. In this way, your inhibitory processes dominate your excitatory processes and dampen your desire for sex.

Of course, we don’t want to do things that we don’t enjoy, and that applies to both mental and physical problems. For example, if we don’t feel good about our body image or are in a strained relationship, we won’t enjoy sexual experiences and this affects our overall view of sex and our ability to feel sexual desire.

There are also external distractions that can inhibit craving. The routine of normal life work to be done, food to be prepared, children to be looked after, etc. just gets in the way. An endless to-do list and constant preoccupation with the needs of others can quietly and consistently impact your body and mind’s ability to generate responsive desire, let alone make room for spontaneous desire.

Great, pleasurable, and fulfilling sex is behavior that is cultivated and not always present and automatic. It’s not as simple and fixed as you may or may not have it, but rather a fluctuating situation that needs to grow and be nurtured. However, this is not fully understood by most people, which leaves them in the dark about their own attitude towards sex and can lead to problems.

It doesn’t have to be like this. Better education about the science of desire would provide insight into our own sexual motivations and lead to a happier and more fulfilling sex life.


So why did I ask you to read that? Well I think there are myths about sex drive and we “new” men need to be car carrying, banner waving champions of the truth. I honestly don’t actually know what my sex drive is anymore. What I mean is: I know I have one but is it roughly the same as my wife’s or is it different? It was a distorted sex drive before because I liked being in a state of arousal so much and topped it up by watching porn when I could. I masturbated quite often and had no real idea who I was sexually. Now I have rebooted, what’s my sex drive like? It’s fascinating to know.

Things are good here. Sometimes I think there’s sexual tension and then I wonder if that’s just me. Anyone out there reading this might ask - “hey GBS, next time you feel the tension why don’t you ask your wife if she’s feeling it?” Hmmm…..good point. Errr…..too chicken and scared of being knocked back.

Keep going, don’t let porn win. It cheats and doesn’t deserve your attention.
 

GBS

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Gents

The longer I've gone on this journey, the more so I believe this is true.

Keep inspiring
Thanks pal. You too.

@Jlied - cheers mate. My therapist sent it to me as a bunch of pdfs and I found it elsewhere. Try this link

 

GBS

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595 days porn free
19 days no MO

I felt mild flatline feelings yesterday but actually it was possibly my emperor sized hangover taking up my brain’s thoughts. Keep going, don’t vomit, keep going, don’t vomit. Keep go……oops.

Watching out for the feelings I get around the 20 day mark of no orgasm. Starts to require greater discipline. Brought this subject up with a mate of mine who I saw on Friday night. He’s the reason I had the massive hangover. Context - one of my oldest mates. He’s a doctor of psychology too. He’s done a while load of therapy (as a therapist) but not sex addiction stuff. Meanwhile in his other life, he’s gay, with a partner and happy. I didn’t tell him everything but we did discuss the whole “connected sex is the only sex worth having“ concept. Or to be more true, I argued that and he didn’t agree. Now this is probably a gross generalisation but I think it is a commonly held view that homosexuals have a greater sex drive than heterosexuals. He says that the difference between sex and love is massive. I said you can’t have good sex if it isn’t connected and bound in love. He flatly disagreed.

Anyway, I told him I hadn’t had sex for 20 months and I’m three weeks currently since I last masturbated and my longest streak of no masturbation was 3 months. He was simply incredulous. Chin on floor gobsmacked. It’s a very different world out there you know. It worries me a bit, but as my chances of changing it are zero, I shall just concentrate on me and my wife (and her spectacular boobs).

Porn free Sunday to y’all.
 

GBS

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596 days sober from porn
20 days no MO

Not sure how long I am going to last on the MO. It shouldn’t be a mind fuck but it is. My therapist said I shouldn’t somehow think that masturbation was forbidden yet I get guilt when I do it even when it’s to thoughts of wife. I need to chill out, right?
 

Galatians51

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596 days sober from porn
20 days no MO

Not sure how long I am going to last on the MO. It shouldn’t be a mind fuck but it is. My therapist said I shouldn’t somehow think that masturbation was forbidden yet I get guilt when I do it even when it’s to thoughts of wife. I need to chill out, right?
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with how you feel. I get the same way after I MO… maybe it has to do with all the years of MO to porn… like an ex alcoholic drinking alcohol free beer, maybe nothing wrong with that but also playing a little too close to the edge, just makes it easier to slip up.

Just last night I woke up in the middle of the night and really wanted to MO, but I resisted, went back to sleep and woke up feeling really good about that.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t MO, or that your therapist is wrong, but if you don’t feel good about it when you do it then I don’t think there’s anything wrong with avoiding it.
 

Blondie

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596 days sober from porn
20 days no MO

Not sure how long I am going to last on the MO. It shouldn’t be a mind fuck but it is. My therapist said I shouldn’t somehow think that masturbation was forbidden yet I get guilt when I do it even when it’s to thoughts of wife. I need to chill out, right?
Hey @GBS,

Since you're not doing it that much and it's only to your wife, I think it's not a problem at all. But I agree with @Galatians51 too in that if it doesn't make you feel good, maybe you shouldn't. I guess you could ask yourself, am I not feeling good about this because I'm comparing myself to others and what they do or DON"T do etc. or do I really think this isn't good for me and that's why I feel bad afterwards?

I still don't think masturbation within reason is bad for anyone, but how much that should be is up to you. If I wasn't getting sex I'm not sure what I'd do quite frankly, but as I've said many times before, masturbation and porn go hand and hand in my mind, so I would have a real hard time doing one without the other, thus I would probably try not to do it at all, but that's me.

In the end though I don't think it's a black and white situation like porn is.
 

Jlied

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Hey geebs, I’ll throw some of the excessive weight I carry in here and offer my two cents. I think if you step back and look at the totality of the situation you’re doing fantastic. You’ve stopped looking at porn, you aren’t flirting it up, you’ve complied with what sounds like all the things your wife has needed from you to feel secure in your commitment to end porn use. You aren’t getting the sexual contact you’d hope that would have happened by now. I think if that using masturbation as a way to keep you from getting so horned up that porn and acting out become a very large shiny object that becomes too much to ignore then it may be a good strategy.

That being said, perhaps the way you go about it is leading you to have these feelings of regret? I know you said you are only using your wife as your visual stimulant, and that is a good place to be, but it’s still involving fantasy and your brain is using that fantasy as a dopamine drip. I’ve heard of but never practiced mindful masturbation where you aren’t visualizing anything, you are just focusing on the feelings of masturbation. It’s like a quick get in get out thing. You don’t carry it on by edging, you just focus on the physical feeling until you release. I can’t help but wonder if the visualizing and porn like image that creates is giving you the feeling of regret afterwards.

I just want to preface though, visualizing only your wife is awesome for both her and for you. It’s great to hear that after all those years of marriage she is still enough alone for you use as MO material. Great for her that you are so committed to ending porn and fantasy that you choose only her to focus on. Great for you because you haven’t lost any of those lustful feelings towards her. Maybe just treat lightly on the visualization of MO and see how you feel about it after?

No matter what you’re killing it so please don’t beat yourself up too much.
 
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