No time like the present

I wouldn't worry about it.  I am going to MO soon too. I can say all I want that I can hold off but it's been too close to call a few times for me. So I think you've got a purely normal situation in your, er ...hands.  Part of me thinks we have a MO "addiction" or at least a habit.  And part of me thinks we don't.  If you've ever watched any baboons you'll probably agree that the lower primates jerk off a lot more than we do and they don't have high speed internet.  And so, I think the main problem is in the any O that comes with fantasy.  This is easiest enabled via porn, however in the absence of porn, we may turn to a lot of masturbation with fantasy which of course will almost certainly inhibit our ability to see our wives or girlfriends, or opportunities, as the objects of desire that they should be. 

So again I say, as long as your not beating off once a day, or even once a week to fantasy, you're gonna be fine and normal.  If I was you, I'd shoot for another goal of 21 days without MO or O and see how you do.  IMO, if you only jerk off once in that period you don't have a MO or O problem.  However - the only thing I think I would try to do is see how not MO'ing will affect your relationships and your life.  You want to reboot.  YOu want clarity.  You want to find a healthy center.  If you jerk off again in a few days (no porn) then I think you're possibly losing some of the benefits of your own personal "no fap" experiment - that is - to see how your life changes when you do your best to not let masturbation or porn negatively influence your relationships and your life.  If that ends up being jerking off once a month without fantasy, and having real sex with your wife or girlfriend a lot more, I'd probably say you're doing great.

Well, that's all I have to say about that. 

Have a great week!

 
...note that I typed this really fast due to coming in to the office to do a small amount of work today.  I hope it didnt ramble.  I am a bit hungover from a stoopid night of drinking with friends who drink a lot.  I just wanted to stress the fact that your recent O was not a reset moment, unless you've got a counter specifically for that.  Porn is the target and you're doing great there.  I think the removal of porn will fix most ills as it is the main enabler to obsessive or hyper active MO.
 
LOL. Rambling posts are some of my favorites! You see how long some of mine are, so ramble away Hoosier!

An ulterior motive of mine for "no MO" is that if an opportunity for the real thing presents itself, I want to be ready. How awful if I rub one out, then get a text, "Hey, I'm in the city today. How have you been? I've missed you!"

As far as my history, when I first discovered masturbation it was MO nearly daily. As I got older, it was less often. During nearly all of this time, porn wasn't part of my MO routine. It wasn't until maybe 15 years ago that dial-up porn images entered the scene, and PMO was a few times a week. About 6 years ago, high-speed internet brought video porn and my PMO up to a daily occurrence (with some stretches without). My life hasn't included much in the way of long-term relationships. When PIED showed up a couple years ago, and since I was busy with college, I just didn't have the time or interest in the reality outside the PMO world. Sad. But now I'm wiser.
 
Cool NC.  I too am motivated (when I am dating again) to be ready for any real sexual opportunity, instead of already fapping earlier in the day and just being tired.  My new reality is reality, not fantasy.  I know that the road is harder here.  Hell, it was always easier to slink off and PMO, or MO.  No more.  I want to be in the real. Not the fantasy.

I've had three girls who I lived with and each had to deal with (of course they never knew what it was) my PMO life.  I am quite looking forward to see what happens when I don't short circuit things by PMO'ing hours, or days before and thus cancelled out an opportunity for a real interaction.  I definitely know my PMO affected the first girl I lived with.  I married her and I also hit my stride with some of the worst PMO habits during that time.  Mostly dealing with binges and not wanting to pursue her, when I should have been pursuing here.  I am convinced she can tell, but they have no idea what the "what" is.  I believe you always negatively affect a long term relationship when you PMO or binge with MO.

I feel I am wiser too.  Just pissed that it's taken me so long to figure this part of my life out.  Oh well, better later than never.
 
Looking forward to an update NC!  Good or bad, let's use this damn computer for some good (instead of how we used to use it for porn)
 
I'm up to 25 days of no PMO. 5 more and I'll be to my goal of 30 days... Next goal: 60 days, or maybe I'll go for the 90.

I'm at a point of my reboot that the worst of the porn addiction/habit/routine seems to be past. Of course, as long as both porn and my genitals exist, I have to keep on guard so PMO doesn't return. It's helped that I've changed enough of my routine that my old PMO time of evening is now busy with other things, away from the computer. On days that I'm just job-hunting online, there is more temptation for PMO or MO. Days like today and tomorrow, I'm busy enough that I don't have as much time, energy, or opportunity for temptation.

I don't know how much MO will be a challenge going forward. As I've written before, I don't see it to be as much of an enemy as PMO. But, I would like the O without the M or the P ("like the O"? Who am I kidding? I wanna get laid!). That means I have to get back in the game... the game I've been out of because of PMO and PIED. So, we'll see what the future brings.
 
Good Luck NC.  Of course time wise, we are running side by side here.  I am going to just set my counter to 60 days.  My belief is that I need an achievable goal and I'm not just ready for the legth of 90 days yet.

What kind of work are you searching for?  Just curious (you probably mentioned it in earlier posts but if you don't mind reminding me).

I also have to get back in the game. I am definitely noticing the women now and since I'm not fapping to my fantasies of them anymore, I'm going to have to do some dating again.

Here's a quote I found yesterday which I like.

"Everything you?ve ever wanted is on the other side of fear." ?George Addair

More if you like them at http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinkruse/2013/05/28/inspirational-quotes/
 
HS, I just got my degree in chemical engineering. And if you're a Hoosier, we're neighbors. I'm in the Windy City. I'd like to stay in this area, but there aren't as many opportunities here as there are down around the gulf, for example. I'll find something. It's just a matter of time.

Yesterday, I was down working on the family farm helping bale straw. So now I'm exhausted.

Unfortunately, visiting the family stirs up certain unhappy feelings. Perhaps I'll write about it another time.

I need to be positive and upbeat. I have much to be grateful for, so I'll say something about that. "I'm grateful that I've finally completed my BS degree!"
 
2 more days and I'll make 30 days without PMO! If I make it, that calls for a little celebration and a bump up to 60 days.

I'll start with a happy thought for today in my journal. And I certainly don't want this happy thought to be discouraging to others.

I'm very relieved that, to this point, breaking the PMO cycle has not been extremely difficult for me. But I have many advantages in this battle that others don't have. I'm fairly new to high-speed internet and the PMO habit, so it's not as deeply entrenched in my brain as it is for many others (but long enough to have given me PIED for the last year or so). I don't have the personality/genes for addiction to alcohol or otherwise. And to help me kick the PMO habit, I've been able to switch up my routine, so that the late evening when I would usually PMO, I'm not on the computer. I've already had professional help dealing with most of my issues (not all of my issues, but enough of them to help me realize how to move forward in life). My ongoing recovery from depression and anxiety are more of an issue for me than P has been.

With that happy thought said, I need to keep that positive in front of me. Because now, with the reboot coming along nicely, there are a lot of other issues that I need to address. With PMO in my life, it seems to have anesthetized some of those depression and anxiety issues that are still there. And with PMO, I didn't feel the need for any real relationships, so suddenly I feel very alone now that my brain is resetting. It's very weird and frustrating. But it's not something making me want to go backward to PMO. It's something that I need to keep going forward to fix.
 
Hey you made it!  Congrats NC!!!

My counter should trip over to 30 later today so I'm right there with you almost.

I've posted my thoughts at "No MO and your health" post.  I'm a bit down too. Depressed about a couple things which I am beginning to tackle today.

I feel good about the milestone but of course - we have only just begun.  Here's to another 30 days of no PMO for you NC!  I too have issues that I believe were greater than PMO, but hey, we're working on those too.  Have a great day.

 
Congrats right back at ya, Hoosier!

So I've bumped my goal up to 60 days... halfway there.

I had a little early celebration last night. It appears that the PIED is mostly gone, but I'm not back to what and where I want to be. Maybe performance anxiety was part of my issue. That and the fact that I gave a 2 hour full body massage, I was physically exhausted when it came time to finish with an O.

I wrote a bit about my history in another journal (http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=1030.0), so I think it's time to put it here in my journal.

I was raised a devout Jehovah's Witness. I knew what masturbation was long before I had any physical urge to do it. The religion had a chapter in a book for kids condemning it. But when I was 14/15 and had my first O while in the shower, the MO habit began. For as much as masturbation was condemned by the religion, and as hard as I tried and prayed to end the habit, I could stop for a few days at most, but could never really end it. I believe that the guilt that went with doing something evil, and the shame of lacking self-control had a profound effect on my brain. My thinking became much more depressed because I believed I was a bad person and would probably be killed at Armageddon. When a friend of mine gave me a few porn magazines, I found them irresistibly erotic and felt the more depressed and anxious because of it. I never really got into porn after that, but the MO continued. Probably because of the deep guilt and shame, I became even more involved in the religion in hopes that god would finally help me and I could earn my way back into his good graces. In my early 20s, I was accepted to work at one of their branches and joined the religious order, staying for about 15 years. But the MO continued, not on a daily basis, but enough that I always felt terrible about myself.

I'd thought that if I got married, then I could end the MO habit. I had a few relationships, but they just didn't go anywhere. One of the relationship issues I had, and still have, is that my parents, grandparents, and a lot of couples I knew, never seemed that happy together. They had just sort of grown together with a routine of bickering. When my single friends got the giddy, lovebird relationships and had the beautiful weddings, I was happy for them. Later, I saw the marriage problems start, with many divorcing (even among JWs where divorce is unacceptable unless certain criteria are met). So, I didn't see marriage as a solution to my problems. I saw it as another, more painful, set of problems. Another problem that I had with dating in the religion was that Watchtower requires a high degree of conformity, and good JWs are expected to report any nonconforming words or actions to the elders. In that environment, I never really felt comfortable or natural, even though I was a model JW in my speech and conduct. The thought that many intimate details of my marriage could be reported to and policed by outsiders just creeped me out. To some extent, my JW spouse would be expected to be a spy. For example, if I watched an R rated movie, that could be reported for wrongdoing. Finally, throw in the fact that the girls that I was most interested in didn't feel the same about me, and I wasn't interested in the girls that were attracted to me.

I did have one relationship that started from working together, moved to friendship, then moved to dating. Sadly, she finally admitted that she'd been having health problems for a while but hadn't gone to the doctor because she didn't have insurance. When she finally went to the doctor, it was advanced cancer and she died a short time later. But I digress...

About 15 years ago, while still at the JW branch, I was able to get access to Internet porn on my personal computer through a dial-up connection. Pornography, too, was condemned by the religion. It became the next part of the battle. In fact, the frequency and passion with which they talked about and condemned it, just made me even more curious about it. I found it. Then I was hooked on Internet porn. Again, I tried and I prayed, but porn and masturbation kept coming back. The depression and guilt were deeply rooted. However, judging by the lectures we got in the religious order, there were lots of others that couldn't end their porn habits either. So I certainly wasn't alone in not getting god's help to end PMO.

As events unfolded, I left the religion before I left PMO. Once that happened, I continued to PMO about once a day and without the guilt and shame. And I finally lost my virginity.  ::)

So, that just about brings me to now. After all those years that I'd tried and prayed and tried to stop masturbation and porn because God wanted me to, I couldn't quit. Maybe that really works for some, but I just never succeeded. I got to the point that I never thought I could succeed. But now that I've read so much on www.yourbrainonporn.com, as well as the information here, I'm succeeding at ending PMO better than I ever imagined. Why? Hmmm, good question. My conclusion is that I'm able to stop PMO now because I see it as something that I can really do for ME, not because of an invisible peeping tom that's watching me if I touch myself inappropriately. There is real logic behind my reason for quitting now, rather than the programmed JW mantra, "Listen, Obey, and be Blessed." Frankly, if there is a god, I think that he/she really should have a lot of other things to be busy with rather than monitoring my browser history.

I've seen for myself how PMO has not just messed up my mind, wasted time, hindered my interest in relationships, friendships, and a lot of other things. If I'm going through the work of ending my addiction to a religion, I don't need to replace it with an addiction to PMO. Now I see how it's something I must do for ME. I will see (and am already seeing) rewards in my life for ending my PMO habits.

Geez, recounting my history is depressing. But it gets worse. I've known 8 JW men that committed suicide for various depression/anxiety or sexual issues. I was almost one of that category. While that statistic is very, very depressing for me, I'm grateful that I survived. And often it was just getting through one day and then the next. I'm grateful that I've not only survived but have gotten on with a life worth living and recovering from a lot of things, including PMO.
 
Fascinating story NC and thanks for sharing.

As I just about turn 50, I am actually getting a bit more religious.  I don't actually join any church, but I go pretty regularly but I just sit in the back, give my thanks to God and leave.  I did do a intro course a month ago at the church right by my home.  Truth be told I was really wanting to meet someone there but their were no options that really interested me (a lot of the women there were in divorce, or dealing with issues with their current spouse, so kind of a minefield).  I don't think I would ever go hook line and sinker for the church lifestyle.  The moment one of the poorer leaders ticked me off, I'd probably let them have it, or just leave.  But I want to be religious if only in the sense that I want to believe in heaven. I want to believe we are more than just dust in the wind after we're gone.  That's my hope and I can keep that totally to myself.

I honestly think it's good you're taking a (permanent) break from your past.  There is a lot of living to do. The best part now is just knowing that your PMO or JW habits won't slow you down.

No matter what our age - quitting PMO is beneficial anytime - and we are all dealt the same 24 hours to make the most of it.

Cheers on your first 30 days PMO free. Here's to the next 30!





 
As I move further away from PMO, I think I need to consolidate my thoughts on MO. Although I haven't committed to never MO, I think there are three things I need to keep in mind to avoid MO:

1) Like I've written before, if the opportunity for real sex arises suddenly, I don't want to be in the situation, "Damn, I just MOd and don't have enough mojo for this yet." My opportunities are rarely preplanned and are rare, so I need to prepare accordingly. This gives me a good amount of motivation to not MO unless I'm really a horny mess and know I won't have any action for at least a day.

2) I certainly don't want MO to become an addiction, just replacing PMO. I don't want to develop the thinking, "Well, I'm in the shower. I may as well MO because I always do when I shower." ... in the evening before bed, or when I wake up, or when I'm bored. That's too much like eating when I'm not really hungry. It can be easy for me to eat just because the clock says it's mealtime, or I'm bored, or I know there's something good in the fridge/cupboard. After I get into a routine of eating when I'm not really hungry, I waste time and money, I feel like crap because it's not carrots that I eat compulsively like that, and I put on unwanted weight. Similarly, I don't want to MO just because I'm bored or it's a mindless routine.

3) The sensations of MO and real sex are different. That was something I really noticed last weekend. It had been too long since I had the real thing. It was great... but it wasn't the same feeling as I'd become accustomed to with PMO. The rapid death-grip had been the PMO and MO routine. Doing the real thing seemed loose and slow (and a lot more work). Like I said, it was great, but it didn't feel stimulating enough somehow. And this was even with no PMO for 30 days, and no MO for several days. That needs to change, because the real thing should be plenty stimulating. So the MO rapid death-grip has to go.

And those are my thoughts on the subject at this point...
 
Totally agree on #1 and #2 but have not got an opinion on #3 due to me still being "master of my domain" for now... lol http://youtu.be/oi68hPMinAI 

Yep, the benefit to not MO'ing is clearly that we can turn this energy toward a woman and give her the kind of attention and relationship that few men (not hamstrung by porn) can give.

A side benefit is that by not MO'ing we may be refusing to live in fantasy.  We want real things in our life.  We know we are missing out.  We know there is something more and we want to experience it, not something made of pixels, or paper.
Not sure if you remember the Star Trek "Holodeck".  I've always thought that machine would be HIGHLY addictive, probably more so than MO/PMO.  People would do anything to live in life like virtual reality - if that VR was creating an acceptable illusion that the VR was better than their own lives. 



 
Up to 33 days without PMO now.

But I must say that being unemployed is not helping. Job-hunting is very frustrating and I'm left with too much time sitting at home with the computer. I've been running and getting out to do some other things, but it's not the same.

I know I'll get something eventually. But in the meantime, this is driving me nuts. If I hadn't already strongly committed myself to the reboot, I'd probably have a hand down my pants a couple times per day. That would be no help.
 
37 days. Still hanging in there. I have to admit that there's been some temptation. Like I've written plenty of times before, this job-hunting requires too much time in front of the computer, in my apartment, with a feeling of frustration. That's not a good combination.

I've been increasing my exercise, which is a good thing. Of course, it doesn't sound like a good thing when I say I'm really sore, spending too much time in front of the computer, in my apartment, with a feeling of frustration because of the job-search. LOL
 
Yep hang in the NC. Good luck in the job search.  It can be hard when nothing seems like it's going to work.  If there is a local biz where you'd like to work, consider dropping in without an appointment just to introduce yourself to the HR person.  If they have a minute, it can make an impression.

Just try to be creative in a positive way to get out of the depressing funk of looking for work.  Keep it up, you can do it!
 
Thanks SMS and HS!

Actually, I got a call within the past hour from HR of a company nearby. I don't quite fit the position I applied for, but he asked about my interest and the possibilities of some other positions with them. I'd already done my research and was able to show that I knew what their business is all about and that they're expanding locally.

Hurray! At least somebody's been taking a close look at my resume and cover letter!

If this doesn't work out, something else will. It just takes time and persistence.
 
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