First relapse

mobilfreak

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22 Days today...

Been looking for my new game to buy when I reach 30 days...

I'm still not feel better.  I don't notice the difference when  u using and when  I'm don't...  I still have this terrible days I just wanna die. 

 

gazz

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Mate, I am right there with you. strangely good to know someone's suffering like me. Due to the title of your thread, I thought this no fap academy video might be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdS19NsImBU&index=21&list=PL38uJEf-kRcYmtGrpSeygvD7XhXm7jI3b (learning from relapses) - even if you haven't relapsed lately it's a good vid

I've recently discovered them and they've been a great go-to place for me. Even though it's not a personal message, the guy somehow feels super supportive, and he manages to be so chipper and positive all the time

Best of luck with that low mood, you're not alone
 

mobilfreak

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It's so difficult to know what happenes and to under what feelings I schould trust...  Or better...  Schould dig deeper in.

It was a good day yesterday, felt happy sort of. Like life was going on the right direction...

I went for bed, but was not all presence, so instead of sleep, I chatted online. I don't even know why, well I did it, and found a girl who been struggle with same feelings like me and we talked all night. It was a relief to found someone who could understand you. I finally went for my sleep. Got 2 hours!

Why? I ask myself over and over again. Why? I don't know..  I felt pretty good a if I just gone to bed I probably would woke up strong and happy.

I woke up feeling good but tired of course. Went for my job and did what I schould. It was a nice day. Tired but I was not in some deep emotional things. I was doing pretty good.
When I came home I ate some food and walked to my bed. I said to my wife I needed sleep. And I really needed it and wanted it.

I layed down in bed and what, took my phone and opened the chat room again. Why? I still dont know.  I talked to some people, but I realized I really need to sleep. But I checked kik messenger again. And that app have I been deleted and installed for several times now...  When I Feel good, I don't want spend time at kik, it's wasting of time. When I feel little down I don't even think about my last decision...  It's weird...
I also installed yellow again, don't know why. I needed sleep. Looked at some pics and  noticed my boner.

I didn't want to M. So I just kept looking, and hoping to find a match so I could talk to someone... What's wrong with me? I need to sleep in tell my self. And finally after a hour I layed my head for at rest and fell asleep immediately.

Woke up a hour later, needed to go to bathroom. I was so tired...  But still wired up on this kik and yellow stuff. So I looked thru it again. It felt down there. But not as it been before, like I needed more and more and Google for P.

I just swiped to the right without even looking at the pics. And still I had this boner. It's interesting. My wife heard I was awake and she toke the space beside me and huged me.

It was a great day to start with. I even huged my wife in bed before I went for work. I felt good. And I also felt it was good now. Hugging her. She told me she needed to take a shower but she didn't want to take of her clothes, it will be cold.

So I help her off with them and teased her, foreplay and S. With O.

She went to the shower and I back to my phone, wondering why I took the phone, saw the apps. And just deleted them without any thought. It was just, why do I even have these boring apps.

I feel like dr jekyll and mr hyde. No was all those tensions inside me gone I got my O. And it was from my wife...

I'm 23 days from PMO now...  And 2 times been O last 62 days.

What do I start to feel? It was like this last time too, around 20 days in the reboot. And I just wanted my wife. Libido is naturall I don't know yet if I need to fight against it for my reboot? Maybe it's better to focus this feeling toward my wife when It comes?

What is the feeling? Is it libido?  Anxiety? I don't know, and I don't know if my behavior is a step forward, or it just makes me change from PMO to sex addicted with wife..

It's not that bad to have S with wife, but I still don't want to self medicate with sex, and I do want to be sure that I can feel the difference between them.

So if I'm anxious, I can handle it the way I best for me. If it's libido, well don't need to explain  that.

I still do need to set up some sort of life goals...  But Im afraid that I am not ready yet and will have more bad days, and my goals will be a  burden more then something  uplifting and motivational.

I want the feeling of having a project, and want to do it. I want to feel like I want to do something in my life. Right now, I just know I want that feeling, but  other know what I shall do.

Need to take time on this. It feel like I going to feel bad tomorrow and I will do whatever I can to stay at the happy side.

It will also be interesting what would happen in three or for days... Will the chaser effect come and doom me? Or what?




When
 

mobilfreak

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been in bed all day , just chatting with people on kik all day and wasting my time away. I feel shitty.

I deleted the apps again. It feels better again. But still bad.

no PMO, and the time spending at kik was not a P-sub, even if i saw some pic, i was not willing to keep looking and I didnt want that stuff... thats a big thing and im happy to be able to control that. But this loneliness... I really hate it.

Some people may suggest. "go talk with your wife" and so on, but she really dont care. Today she had her own schedule and did all her stuff and wanted do be done before she should have her crime-night and watch her fav. movies. She come in to my bed some times, but she was still all in her own life, and i was not part of it. She saw and knew i felt bad and all she did was making the dishes and do the laundry so she could watch the telly with good feelings...

I am really happy that she do those stuff, but I feel like im not important to her, and she dont care that i am in my bed all day and feel terrible.

Still no PMO and thats a good thing.


My friend i miss so much these kind of days, she texted my wife today. She said she was sorry for not contacted her for a long time and said she think about her, and that was it. She been silent for 3 month, and now she sends a short text that she is sorry, but then she didn't answer on my wifes reply. We both are curious about whats going on in her mind exactly. Why even bother to say you misses and think about someone after three month of silence, if u don't take time to even respond to the replies...

this day wasted and tomorrow i gonne work again. My boss is on hospital, so I need to jump in and help. This was the only day this week i was free, and I even dont have something to fill it with so i stay ion bed all day and just doing nothing at all.

Its funny thou, some people told me that when life is a mess, u need to check if u are reading your bible daily. And some people tell me, just get off porn and u will feel better. I have read the bible daily since june, and been off porn since october. I dont feel better and i still hate my life.

I have always argued that my health has nothing to do with PMO or spiritual routines. My anxiety come from other stuff, and reading the bible dont cure depression as little it cure cancer. IT can give hope and motivation, but just reading will not give any miracles.  PMO will of course not help me get better, but its still not the root of my health.

I know what i need to do. I know what feeling i searching for, the hard thing is to do what u thing is best for u when other people tell u thats wrong. When a spiritual mentor tell you, you are not on the right track, and u understand that the mentor does not know the whole picture. If I listen to that mentor would be like going back to the bad life I had. If I listen to myself, i will get the feeling i had when i told my mentor about my problems, energized and motived to take responsibility and leave this all behind. That feeling I need to move forward, it was that feeling who got me to tell my mentor about my problems, and it was that feeling he told me to think about again. He told me i was blaming my past to much for my sins and didn't take enough responsibility for my acts. I didnt show enough regret for what i have done.

I know what i feel, i know I had the right feeling, and I know I have social anxiety that makes me trouble when i tell people about my life. I know that this anxiety have made my life really hard and made friends left me because they dont understand what im telling them. Like when i told my friend, that she was the only person i felt i could talk to, and I would talk all night with her at a roof top. It was concluded that I was in love with her, when it really was that I have never been able to trust any person before, and I was so happy for being able to finally have one friend who would stick to me what so ever. But she left, and i dont know if i can open my heart again.

The hunting sexual memories from my childhood, Dad that dont really care, my friend suicide when i was 15, my wife cheated on me, and now my only friend I had left me, and when I told my mentor about my PMO, childhood traumas and suicide thought, I was not longer a apart of the congregation. Its not that strange I am sad and have trust issues. Its so hard for me to do this, all i want it so come back to the congregation, the only reason I have is my relationship with God. But in the congregation I have people who triggers my anxiety. Its not strange either that my body fight again me when i want to go to the church, or read my bible. For every time it reminds me of my anxiety..


I want a life with goals, thing i can achieve... right now its so pathetic, I smell something and that reminds me i have not shower for 3-5 days, so my goal is to take a shower, and it take up to three days to reach. in this state my mentors believe i would be able to do actions to strengthen my spiritual health, because the believe i will be happy when I get a stronger relationship with God. I do know that it have a key role in human life to be close to God. And thats is what i want, but my psychical health are not with me on that goal.

I hope i will be better to next week.
 

mobilfreak

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I know u never will come back into my life, but I still think about you every day, and it's been 6 month since we talked last time. Yesterday I huged my pillow when I was going to sleep, I felt comfort and remembering how your body gave me relief from my anxiety and how your smile cut through my depression and enlighten my life.

I never loved u as a girlfriend, I loved u as my best friend and as a teddy bear. No one have ever gave me the same comfort in life as u did, and that's what I miss the most.

I know u thought I was in love with u, and we did some stupid stuff, but I wholehearted felt safe with u, and that's was made me being stupid. U made me feel worthy, likeable even cause my flaws and sins.

Dear u, I miss u a lot and u will never know or understand, becuse u didn't want to stay friends, u wanted to go your own way without me and u couldn't feel safe with me u said.

I'm so sorry for making u feel that way, and I'm devastating over that we not will be able to develop a friendship in the future anymore because of this.

My heart will always be with u and I will always miss u as much sister and best friend. No one can take your place!

Every day I need to convince myself that life is worth living. And today is one of those days I need to work on that extra hard.

I hope I will get me through this day and wake up to a  en morning tomorrow. I hope so
 

mobilfreak

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29 days without PMO.  No urges at all, don't want it. That's good. But all this anxiety I don't know how to deal with is killing me.

Today I told myself it was a good day. Then I reflected a ut was is a good day. Or a normal day in my life. And my conclusion was really sad when in hit me.

A normal day when I would say I feel good. Is typical today, some hard to get up from bed in the morning. Just enjoin time to eat, but not brush tees or think about what u wearing... Working all day without any really low feelings and just wanting to go home. And no thoughs of suicide. And today I even had thoughts about suicide several times. I though about what I will write in my last letter and how I want it to be read at my funeral.

Isn't it sad, this is one typical "good" day in my life....
The bad days u don't want to hear of... They are hell

All I want is a better life, and I thought that quitting PMO would help me a little...  But as what I was afraid off, it seems to have very little to do with my life of anxiety.

I will not begin using again  anyways, I didn't quit for my health, I did it because of my religious beliefs.

I hope it will be better soon, I dont know how long I will make it more...

 

gazz

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Hey mate. What's going on? In one post you say your wife is with you but isn't interested in you. And then you say she's left you and won't answer your calls?

If she's left, I'm so sorry to hear that. It's so important that you don't use PMO as a solution. It sounds like you know that, which is great. If she does come back, and you're PMO'ing and in an emotional mess, she won't be back for long. You have to become the person you want to be, the person she wants to be with.

In my experience, when someone leaves, the best thing to do is not barrage them with messages about how you miss them, need them, and will beg for them to come back. Write one simple message saying you love them, and you want to see them but you understand they want time away. Say you are here, you are ready for them if they decide to come back. You're thinking about the relationship and working hard on improving yourself so things will be better if you have the opportunity to work on the relationship again. Then comes the hard bit, you give them space. That gives them a chance to miss you and think of your awesome last message. Later you can send a simple message perhaps weekly, no begging, no 'needing', but 'checking in', you hope they're ok and you're thinking about them.

That's just my experience. And I thought it was worth mentioning, because when people leave us, we can go mad with self pity and neediness and become even less attractive to our partners. Choose an amount of time to be sad each day, then take some deep breaths and leave the sadness alone for the rest of the day. Work on improving your life, yourself, your nofapping resolve. You might need a new activity to focus your mind on, because now you have to not think about porn or how much you miss your partner - I assure you, there's nothing positive about thinking about either of those things. take walks, experience nature, appreciate music and literature... Good art and seeing the beauty in the world is how a lot of people 'escape' after suffering long hours in a shit job.

Hope this helps. Best of luck mate

Gazz
 

mobilfreak

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Thank you for your time Gazz.

Your words are so true. Buti have not been clear enough I see. But thats probably because I write to myself more then to you guys :)

My wife is with me and she working on helping me. But one day she don't talk with me even if she notice I'm low.  She have no issues about me PMO, shes not low,  bitter or in some way less interested in me now the  before I told her about my PMO. The thing is that she is so into her own world and into her own life, that she sometimes forget she is married and have a relationship with me. She have admitted this and see that her behavior is one clue to my depression and being lowly.

On the other hand she now know about it, and she want to do efforts to do it better. And slowly,  slowly she does. But some days she back to her old, and watch TV all day when I just feel like I wanna kill my self... 

The person I did talk about, who left me, it was my friend who one day said she didn't wanted to be close friends anymore, because she felt strange, and didn't know what that feeling was before. But now she knows that feelings is not correct...  I did feel the same but I wanted and have tried for long to work through it and stay friends. I felt like the relationship was worth it, but she wanted to go.  So I let her, bit I don't got opportunity to really say what I wanted.  I just kept all to myself and told her it was fine.

Then some months later she wants to meet again. We did meet, with my wife, and I felt like my friend wanted me back. But she was also nervous. I didn't gave in, and kept a distance to her. I don't want to get her close to me again, she knew how much I would broke down if she leaved. And she knew I have difficulties to trust people. She knew about my anxiety and my struggles. So from now on I will be nice to her but I will not have her close in my life anymore. I don't trust her, she broke my heart when she told me she felt strange with me and don't want to be close friends anymore.

Maybe it's me, but wither usage friends or u are not. If u feel strange when u are with someone, why do u even want to hang out? Just to be nice? It doesn't make sense.

I do get u about replacing habits...  But I have some issues a out that. Because my anxiety kicks in when I want to change habits...  I do things because I need to, not because I want to. Even taking a shower is goalsetter and I need several days to manage to accomplish it.

I take walks, but I m not presence, I look down on my feet while walking with my head down, deep inside my head. I need to lift up my head and see all the colors. When I lift my head, and see things around me, I'm getting sad for not being able to feel good about what I have.

When I finally do something that I do want to do, I feel selfish and that I should have done other things instead. So I don't do the things I want, because my anxiety tells my I'm worthless and don't worthy enough to have fun.

I do want someone to talk to, irl, who are willing to stay at my side what so ever, willing to just listen and not judge. My friend who left, she did that. That's why I misses her, or that feeling. My wife is not that good listener yet...

After she been listening to me, she would ask me. So how do you think about my listening skills, have it been aproved since last time?  And she is all in on doing her thing more then really listen...

On about replacing habits...  When I did feel the energy of wanting to make a new life and put up some new goals, I talked to my spiritual mentors in my church. They didn't see the same thing as I did. They told me I was not regretful enough, so the disfellowed me.  So every time I do anything spiritual my anxiety kicks in and tells my I'm not worthy a spiritual life anymore, I'm worthless and I'm not approved to have any relationship with God.

What I know about PMO, Spiruality, psychology and leadership. My mentors should have encouraged me to keep walking on my new energzied life path. But instead they gave me the opposite, so now I question myself, my beliefs and my feelings all the time. What they told me is like I don't trust my own feelings. I felt like I could leave all behind now and start this new life. And they said I need to be more regretfull and need to think about everything one more time...


I been talking to my therapist about this several times. And he is also spiritual minded person.  He is with me all the way on this. I had the right feelings, but my mentors couldn't handle the story of my life. So if I do what I feels right, I will go against my mentors advices, and they will think I'm not humble enough or don't want to listen  to them. But if I do that I will get the energy to come back to the church. But if I do listen to their advice I will feel lowly and depressed and will probably start PMO again...  So it feels like I'm trapped in between and what I ever do it will give me anxiety...



 

gazz

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Ah. OK. Now I understand  :D

You're not selfish for trying to help yourself. Like when you're on a plane, they say, do your own oxygen mask first, before helping others. I have a little morning routine of exercise, meditation, thinking about things, motivating myself... before I get up and face the day. I'd be useless otherwise.

As for not finding anything rewarding. You?re rebooting ? porn screws up our reward systems until everything seems crap. When I went for a few weeks without porn, I started enjoying books again ? I remembered what it was like to be the ?old me?. You'll appreciate the world more. As Louis CK says - you live in a great, big, vast world that you?ve seen none percent of. Even the inside of your own mind is endless; it goes on forever, inwardly. The fact that you?re alive is amazing.

Just watched a youtube video about a man saying he and his wife took a break from using their phones. So now they talk more, they?re engaged more. You might need to get that tv out of your relationship! Technology will kill all our humanity and relationships if we let it!

As for your mentors who are telling you what you should do. Only you can decide what to do with your life. We can seek out advice, and mentors can help us lead the way, but you have to create your own path.

Best of luck mate

 

mobilfreak

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Been using that illustration about the masks on the plane many times when  I have help people. What my life looks like in history, according to the illustration,  is that I do take my mask on  first, get mentally strong...  Then I see things that need to be done... Some need help, and I reach out for them. Even more the  the mask can handle...  So I skip the mask for a while to manage to help some people...  Then I go back to my mask.  I do that several times and one day I see that I didn't got my mask on for long time because I been focusing on  other people and theirs problems before my own health.

In this metal state PMO been my false rescue.  or I been  using for decrease of my anxiety.

I've heard several times and been reading here on the forum about people who say like you, that my brain is messed up becuse of the P. Bit those feelings people tell they get after being of porn after a long time, like u are talking about, that the energy is coming back and u feel worthy and all that.  I did get that feeling first, then I did take the decision to quit PMO. 

I got that feeling only two days after a PMO and during a relatively high period of using. I did 3-4 times a week and been doing that for maybe a couple of months...  Before that it was maybe only weekly or even once a month.. 

I know that only one tile watching porn will mess up the brain. I don't want to make my behavior less. But I just want to get perspective and know what feelings are what and to what.

Like u said, u got the energy to read books again...  And i Love reading and been doing so do long time... I have been reading a lot during the years I been PMO'ing.  But sometime is like I do it because I know I like it, not cause I want to... The thing is that those periods of time I usually been PMO once a month. And my anxiety and depression come first... 

What I understand from what been reading and what my therapist tells me, is that for me and my life, the real issue is not PMO. It's still something I need and want to quit. But as it been before In life, I have more or less longer periods off PMO. 

What's my real problem is codependency and I'm not consistent. I always put my own feelings,  thoughs and goals at sides for other people's opinion.

It's here my road to PMO starts. When I don't let other people opinions to effect me. I don't get anxious and PMO is not on my mind...

I never been thinking about porn like I just need it now! It have always been the same, I feel sad, tired without known reason, and instead of dealing with it, I stay strong and keep my life pace. And when  I can't sleep I scroll down instagram, or snapchat or something. And I see a smile or something that triggers. And at that point I was not in contact with myself, and I had little controller over what I really did. My anxiety was ruling. I just wanting to go away and kill mysel becuse I felt lonely. I was sad, needed to share my thoughts with someone close. But I didn't have that kind of friend to talk to. And I just wanted to be liked and loved..  Then I Googled P.

When I read people's stories, I get the feeling that many people have porn on their mind, and they are really into it. I feel like I don't fit in that category...

So when u write about the things. I get the principle, and I do agree, but I don't know if it really fits in my life.

What I do take to my heart thou is what u say about my mentors. It's true and that's what I need to confirm in my heart. They don't know me and they are not rescuer my life...  But still they have the power of my membership in the church. And I do want to be active, and the way is through the mentors...  I hope I can feel good enough soon, so I can talk to them with a balanced mind and maybe it will be easier to connect with them.

Today is 29 days.  Tomorrow I will reach 30 days again...  So I will get my new game. :)


 

mobilfreak

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30 days today!  Milesstone!

Am I happy, am I proud. No not really. I don't feel a thing.
It's like what ever. It feels like the porn is pit of my life, I don't feel like I want to watch anymore.. 

It feels like I have rewired my brain so when I'm sad, I really feel sad and think that I'm sad. Not that I'm horny or need porn anymore. I don't have any urge.

But I still look at girls butts, haha.

I'm not that depressed right now...  But I'm still not able of jumping put of bed. I still don't feel like I want to do something. I still have trouble enjoy stuff.

I thought I would use this day for meditation and goal setting. I hoped I could make some progress today and push myself in the right direction...

Read some books.


I have changed one thing thou, I did get a mail yesterday from kik that I have messages to answer. But I didn't reinstall  the app this time. I was tired and went for a sleep instead.

So what's the difference, I listened to my body and what I felt and did what was best for me... 

I felt I wanted to know what they want me on kik. It's the only text I have got for a long time. So it made me curious, but on the other hand, I dlnt have any real life friends on kik.

I dreamed about having a lunch with my brother wife and my friend from childhood and his wife. We have  it talked  or met for a long time. They live abroad.

I also dreamed that my car was stolen after the lunch and I had just picked it up before the lunch. I don't have a car in real life.. Haha.


Today I will look for my new game...  Next goal is 60 days. And I said I will have a dinner at the hotel with my wife...  But I belive I will change it to buy some gym equipment.

I feel little more positive today, but I have just woke up, let's see what th day will give me today...
 

mobilfreak

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Been thinking about this day, and was little nervous about what it will give me.

I had promised myself to not install the social media apps thus time, to see what will happen and how I will feel. I don't feel bad or sad like I did last time when I was on kik for all day doing nothing.

So what happened to this day?  I was at work,  needed to leave some money and papers, deadline today. And I was at the store with my wife.  I didn't eat breakfast before, so I was little grumpy, and I felt like I usually did after PMO before, I was lowly and irritating. I did push my wife a little, and I know I thought the same thoughts I did so many times before.  "why do I like this".  I usually did that after I been PMO before, and after I been reading about everything, I belive I feel lonley, sad or something, and I need confirmation. But I can't express these feelings in words, so I do things I don't really want to do. And I feel bad for that I'm doing that. 

Then we came home.  I ate some food and then I played games all day and later I watched YouTube videos. No p-subs or something, just some Penn &  teller fool us. I still feel lowly and i haven't felt like buying these games I promised myself,  but i did it anyways, just becuse I promised me.  But I don't feel anything..

Tomorrow is work day again and I feel sad that I haven't been able to come out of my she'll today either. But I feel it's on the way.  And I still need some alone time and cry.

I do feel a little difference in my mind, and that's I have  a little little light inside of me that wants to play. It's something inside of me I feel want come out, but I m afraid of showing and I'm afraid of being judged again. 

It's hard to explain, but my anxiety is holding on to it, and I can't manage to let go.

Am I on the right way?  Yes I feel thats definitely true. But I'm so afraid right now of being judged, so I prefer to stay in my comfort zone and that's is something I haven't done for years... I have forgot how it feels.


 

mobilfreak

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Now I think I can explain what I couldn't put word for before...

It's like I feel like I really would enjoy life soon.  It's something inside who tells me I can be close friend with my old friend soon. We can be better friends and I can respect her more.  I see that the porn have done some things to my head that didn't notice how I saw my friend as an object who only was there for making me happy...

I also belive I will be able to like things in the future.  Last couple of times I Bern doing stuff with friends, they have been cheering and laughing, but I couldn't enjoy the time fully. Once we were whale watching and all people on the boat was so high of the close encounter with the whales who only was 10 meters from the boat.  Everyone was smiling from ear to ear.  I'm just held my gopro and wondered why I couldn't enjoy the time as well.

I can't remember how my PMO usage was then, so can't say if I wasn't enjoyed the time because of the porn,  or if it was other things. Only way to tell is to keep this fight and see what it will make for me
 

mobilfreak

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The days is going on and I don't have any urges for PMO. That's good. But I still feel, hmm, I'm not presens.im not really her.  I am not in control of my life.

I hope it will get over soon. I will have two days of work now, so let see how it goes...

I thinking about what I want to do in life...
 

mobilfreak

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Today im been playing games and just trying to not to occupy my brain with technology. I feel like I am just below the surface, i just need to push myself a little in the right direction. I have so much to talk about and need to take care of, and thats why i feel so low. its so much unsolved things on my shoulders. After i finished the game, I started spotify, and tried to come in contact with my emotins. Some tears was making my eyes wet, and i felt like i need to let go. but i couldnt...

I was staring and my wife started to ask me about what she could do. She are like a flight steward, "can I get u a coffee? a blanket? a hug?" i reminded her about the talk we had with the therapist about that and smiled. She smiled back and then started to listen instead. Now we been talking for a couple of hours and it feels better. I have not cried yet, dont know if i need to either. probably i do indeed need

During our talk she unconsciously took her foot and touched my knee. I am an emotional being and noticed it immediately, i did ask her what she was feeling. And she didnt know. I told her to stop touching me and at the same time look inwards to see if she can recognize the feeling. (It was not that i didnt want her to touch me, it was just interesting) she laugh and said she felt uncomfortable now when I made her conscious about it. She said she felt safe and if she would let go, she would feel empty, alone and cold.

It was that i wanted to hear and talk about, I asked her about that feeling. If that feeling only was meant for girlfriend and boyfriend relationships. Is that love? She told me no. And finally i could explain for her what i felt for my close friend and what i been trying to explain for her. My mentors told me that feeling was love, I did protest, but they said i wouldn't trust my heart on this one, it can be deceive-full. Because of my anxiety and life experiences, I did listen to them more than to my own feelings, and started to say to myself that my feelings are wrong, and i should not have that kind of feelings. But at the same time I have been felt like I was working against nature and making me more  depressed. It made me happy to have someone understand, and even better it was my wife.  She told me that my relationship with my friend was not wrong, my feelings for her was ok. But probably my friend have not been straight and honest with her feelings. I have tried to explain this kind of feelings before for my friend, because i have never felt it before. I tried my best to explain what i meant and at the same time make sure she understood it was not love. Well my friend took it like love anyways, sadly.

I can see that because of my dads problems with alcohol and his lack of giving me protection, and my mom who herself felt alone, empty and cold during my childhood, couldn't give me those feelings. It felt good to have someone to understand. My therapist have been supportive from day one, and have also seen the same thing. But its not the same thing having your therapist support you as when a close friend or family member really doing it. :)

i still not have that urge for porn. I get some thoughts about it sometimes, but i manage to not let them stay in my head, and I dont want them either. But i still dont have so much motivation to do things in life...

I have two things I wanna do, and need to do.

1. The How? The What? The Why?
2. Read a book

I need to take time to sit down, peacefully and meditate over "Why do I wanna live?" and "Why am I doing Nofap?" "Why do I want to travel? or be a Christian?" ans so on. I have already done this before in my life, but now when I am in new stage of life, I need to make new decisions about the things i earlier decided to do. Its like when i was around 12 years old, one day i just looked at my walls, and saw all those posters. I remember how i thought to myself. "What? its a little kid who live in here, im not a little kid!" and i started to take them down. The decision was pretty easy for me then. But all those things in life i have now? wow... Its definitely not the same thing. Things i have done for all my life, who is a part of me, i need to throw away. And i need to be assure its the right thing i throw away. I dont talk about NoFap now, thats thing is gone from life. But these others things in my head who are attached to my anxiety...


I need to read books. Books i want to read and making me walk in the right direction. I do read the bible daily, and i do know its good for me. And i do it even when i dont feel like it, i dont want to mess up my routine... It like when u decide to go to the gym. If you only would show up at the gym the days u had time over, or the days u had energy. It wouldn't help u to much. IT better to be at the gym and do some half hearted exercises then non at all. One day you will tell yourself, i need to step up, i need to make a decision, really exercise or quit the gym. Its hard thou to quit the gym, because u know it makes u feel better in the long run. Thats how i feel right now with my beliefs, deep down in my heart i really do know whats best for me and i do know what to do, but i dont have the motivation. And thats probably because i forgot "the why?" somewhere.  I know i need to find it again, and when i do, i need to hold tight to it an never let go.

I have done this trip before, its just that i dont have that strong fences who are protecting me when it get windy in life, i loose the grip easily and keep going on strength even when i lost "the why". I do it for long period of times and get lowly and depressed. I need to get up again and make better protection against other peoples opinions and keep my head in the game. I need to stop be the "strong" one, and keep my mind on "the why" thats motivates me and make life enjoy-full!

It feels better now im on my way....

Its 32 days now, last time i made it to 39. I have made some changes since last time, and ive got better support from wife now. So it feels like i will make it. Its also been 72 days since i started Nofap for real, and only had one small slip. Even if its not been "all clean" its waaaaay better then 4 times a week like it was before i took the decision. even if i did restart my counter that day, i now see it as a whole journey, and 72 days is really good, and have done some serious changes in my brain, even if i cant see it, and even if most anxiety is still there, its better.

Yesterday we saw "love actually", it was some triggers in that movie, i didnt have any urge do PMO thou, and i didnt saw it as P-subs either. And when Natalie kissed the prime minster at the end of the movie, i was sitting there smiling from ear to ear. When i noticed, i felt so good to be able to enjoy a movie for real.

Over and out!
 

mobilfreak

Active Member
Woke up to day 33.

Yesterday I talked with my wife about the feelings I had for my friend and tonight I dreamed about my friend. I dreamed she was visiting and came in to my room, she smiled and closed the door behind her. I said that it would not be good if people know we are in here tougher. She smiled and said she doesn't mind, and said she wanted a hug. So we hugged and I felt that comfort I talked with my wife about the day before...

The dream ended, or I don't remember more. I still feel bad for these kind of dreams... But becuse of everything that happen between us and what I've been told, I feel like those feelings are wrong and need to stop.  But on the other hand I understand that feelings are true, and will tell u something. And what feelings do I feel?

I do feel sadness, low, I feel warmth and comfort. Feelings that is all fine to feel towards friends. Its not love, it's the feeling of someone see that u are lowly and want to hug u. Or that in this case in my dream, she felt she needed a hug for comfort and she wanted it from me...  It is like siblings, and family. Close bonds of friendship.

Those feelings should I not be embarrassed to feel. Nor should I depress them. But I need to cope with the feelings of loss. Becuse when I woke up, I feel sad, lowly and remembered the dream. So I feel sad for not being able to contact her, not being able to get that hug, and that makes me depressed...  I need to cry and let it go, but I suppress my feelings instead. And that is not good in the long run for the PMO.

I never did the two things I needed to do yesterday. I watched a movie with my wife instead...  So I need to do it today...  Tomorrow I will work again...

33 days thou, I'm telling me it's good, but I don't really feel or care that much anymore...  I have bigger problems in my life then PMO.
 

mobilfreak

Active Member
Who do you turn to, when the only person in the world  who can stop you from  crying  is exactly the same person who making  u cry?
 
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