First relapse

mobilfreak

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i want to give up...

i cant think clear.... i have googles some.. and clicked some link.. but i closed it right away...


i dont know why .. i dont want to. but i want so badly...

 

mobilfreak

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It's slowly starts to cold down...


Found someone online to talk to. And I was feeling the right feelings again...  Started to cry...


I know it is that who makes me wanna PMO. But I'm so anxious and afraid of the pain. That I keep it inside and distract my self...

My wife just watchedkke 3 movies today. She don't care...  Well she do, but she don't know how to care...  She is in her own  bubble...

I am so sad and anxious...  I need to take car of it...  And i will work tomorrow. So it stresses me out and makes me procrastinate...

I'm happy, that I did shut the browser and moved from the pic when the porn was goggled. But I don't feel happy...  I still feel this sadneaa, pain and depression...

I tell my self that I should be happy. But Iita hard.

 

gazz

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Mate, sorry for your relapse, but reading your thread, it seems that it was inevitable. You're going through life in such a state of misery and loneliness

I'm not a therapist, or a professional. I'm just a third party viewpoint. So don't take my advice seriously at all, but it seems you need to look at the foundations of your life and see what needs changing.

I know on the forum people say, give up porn, then improve your life. But maybe you need to make some changes.

How can you be in a marriage with no mutual support? It sounds like she ignores you and her escape is movies, and you are hiding in porn and chat rooms.

Some people here are in a loving relationship, and some people are alone, working on breaking this habit by themselves - both positions are useful in their own way to breaking this habit and creating the lives they want. but to be in a marriage where you're not feeling loved and effectively being rejected is an impossible situation.

You need to be honest (ok - I understand you might not want to mention porn to her), but honest enough to say - 'I am lonely! I feel like you don't care! I need you right now! i'm miserable! I need to feel like you're not here, not being present with me! I feel rejected when you watch movies all night.' you say you see therapists and have mentors, so there is a support network for you, as well as this forum. you can even look for advice online - it there no way you can look for a way to make fundamental changes in you life and relationships?

Where do you want to be a year from now? What will your life look like? What do your relationships to look like? And what do you have to do make this future a reality?

Best hopes for you sorting these things in your life mate. Make this day zero of the rest of you life!
 

mobilfreak

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gazz said:
Mate, sorry for your relapse, but reading your thread, it seems that it was inevitable. You're going through life in such a state of misery and loneliness

I'm not a therapist, or a professional. I'm just a third party viewpoint. So don't take my advice seriously at all, but it seems you need to look at the foundations of your life and see what needs changing.

I know on the forum people say, give up porn, then improve your life. But maybe you need to make some changes.

How can you be in a marriage with no mutual support? It sounds like she ignores you and her escape is movies, and you are hiding in porn and chat rooms.

Some people here are in a loving relationship, and some people are alone, working on breaking this habit by themselves - both positions are useful in their own way to breaking this habit and creating the lives they want. but to be in a marriage where you're not feeling loved and effectively being rejected is an impossible situation.

You need to be honest (ok - I understand you might not want to mention porn to her), but honest enough to say - 'I am lonely! I feel like you don't care! I need you right now! i'm miserable! I need to feel like you're not here, not being present with me! I feel rejected when you watch movies all night.' you say you see therapists and have mentors, so there is a support network for you, as well as this forum. you can even look for advice online - it there no way you can look for a way to make fundamental changes in you life and relationships?

Where do you want to be a year from now? What will your life look like? What do your relationships to look like? And what do you have to do make this future a reality?

Best hopes for you sorting these things in your life mate. Make this day zero of the rest of you life!


Thanks gazz for your time and advices.

When I woke up today I ate some breakfast, and my wife joined.  We walked to the work together. She asked if it was hard yesterday.  I just hmm to her. I was just thinking about how she always do that? Askes about the yesterday...  I know the answer. She do realize she didn't help and now wants to make up for it and want me to recognize her willingness and approve her. I was silent all way to work and I didn't even said good bye to her.
And 3 seconds later I was crying,  and it felt like I was going to fall down on the ground.  But I couldn't release it, because I needed to work. I though to my self.  "why am I doing this, I should be home and take care of myself"

For the record.  My wife knows about the porn. I have been honest to her since October. And all the thing u mention, I have done that.  I have asked her, and I have told her about my feelings. And i feel like im begging her to love me when i need to get her attention, i want her to see me and care. but she watch movies instead... About the mentors, they are not in my life anymore. It's just my wife and my therapist.

During the day I felt this horny again and I just wanted to go home and PMO again. I had give up. I didn't care anymore.  Good thing I were working, so I couldn't PMO. 

I don't want to fight it,  I just don't want in my life.

But I remembered something my therapist talked about.  I need to find a way to not live every day fighting.  I need to just be and feel Okey. And I made up a new decision for hoping it will make a better way for not relapse again. I said to my self.  PMO is Okey, it's not wrong!  And all my bad feelings just vanished, I felt good again!

Then I started to think about PMO and said, it's Okey to PMO if I want to.  It s not wrong.  And I felt like I didn't want to do it anymore.  This was only 1 minute after the decision and I been thinking about PMO for about 3 hours.

Now I feel tuned with myself again.  It's not about doing right or wrong. It's about what kind of life I want.

I only need something to make it possible to reach thus thoughts when I do come in that position again.
 

mobilfreak

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talked with wife yesterday, and she had wrote a letter and a email, she said she was sorry for not being supportive to me. and she will be better in the future.

Talked with my therapist and it was ok.

yesterday i felt i was getting sick, and when i woke up today i had fever and a cold. so home from work today.. not the best time to be sick when I just have been relapsed. So home alone whole day and i just didnt care today. so i did PMO again.

I just let it go this time. I even dont bother to deal with it.

its so hard when i have this depression at the same time... when it makes me just lay in my bed. i got new books today. and i love books and been waiting for those books for over a month. but i just put them away. i haven't even opened them yet. I know i need to get off the technology. i know i need to cry. i know i am sad and lonely. but i cant get the energy to do something about it... im in this cloud of heaviness..

after the PMO i took a shower... so practically the PMO helped me this time to get out of bed and do something.. i been thinking about taking a shower for days.

I know what to do, and i have it in my mind. but i cant get it to "real time". I feel like two person, like one is screaming in the background of getting out and take control but the "false me" dont let it...


 

mobilfreak

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Okey

So I gave been thinking a bit today.  And I need to stop fighting my addiction. So from now on I will not focusing on quiting  porn.  I will focus on my codependency issues. Witch always gives me comfort and drive in life when I read about it.  It makes things clear.

I did start to read on of my new books today.  "Codependency no more " and every single word feels like me and my life. 

I need to stop pleasing others. I need to stop letting my "false me"  control and rule my life.
 

mobilfreak

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Anxiety

Home and sick today. Wife been home all day. I feel anxious as usual. Tensions in my chest. I sight often, scrub myself in the forehead and hair. I take the tablet, play some games, I run away emotionally and try to occupy my brain with distractions.

This is the real problems I have.

And u know what.  I can't point to what causing it. That is really frustrating.

I have learned that I need to cry when I feel like this.

I have difficulties to do that when my wife is home. And maybe it it because I have not allowed her to love me.

And thats probably because I don't feel like it's anything to love, and I have difficulties to love myself, even if I do good things.

And that was what I felt in October, I loved myself, and that made me feel awesome. But it been hard to get to that point again after the mentors told me I was showing enough regret.

Soon wife will go to work, maybe it will give me so e time to calm down, and let the anxiety out. I need to let it take me. Even if I fel like I going to died, I need to reassure myself it's only a feeling. I can't die of anxiety alone...  Only if I hold it in
 

mobilfreak

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Did write about 10 A4 pages in my diary today.  Felt better afterwards.

Did PMO some time after...  I just don't fight it right now, in the meaning, I will not be sad because I did it and instead focusing on others parts in life to make a better way out of it.  The goal is still to quit...

 

mobilfreak

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Ok.  I'm on it again.

But I know I'm in the wrong state of mind...  It like,  what come first the egg or the chicken. What is my problem,  codependency or PMO?  I don't feel any better when I quit PMO.  But I feel better when I working on my codependency. And the PMO goes away when i focusing on the codependency...

So I think I know the answer.

Tried to cry yesterday, deep breaths, music I cry to,  pics I cry to.  But I couldn't come in contact with my feelings...  It just was little wet...  I needed more, I needed to cry out...

Goal today is to not do any distractions,  just sit down until I feel I want to do something.... 
 

mobilfreak

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Day  1.

Been reading "codependent no more"  for some days now, and today i read about some advices,  and don't take things so personal. We need to focus on our own lives and stop reacting to others feelings, thoughts,  emotions, problems etc. Our self-esteem should come from within, not from other people.

One advice was to do something for yourself to get calm and relaxed.  And I just felt like "how shall I do that?  I don't feel like I want to do anything for myself, I don't even know what I want for breakfast"

I wear the same clothes every day until I recognize I smell, so I take a shower and change,  often once a week. I eat two times a day. Yogurt, cereals with peanut butter. I have difficulties to fall asleep and get up. And most of the day I can't talk to my wife, I feel anxious , depressed and distracted my brain with games.

Someone said I maybe need to change something in my life. I have plenty of stuff I need to change, but I have no motivation, energy or self love to start.
I try to fake it until you make it. I have been opening some friends, but they leaved, so I have both opened up and been honest about how I feel about life, and I have been faking my happiness. People dont care anyway.

But do they have to? The only thing that matters first is if I care about myself?  And I don't...  But When I do,  I feel like I'm on the top of the world. But I can count the times I'm in that feeling on one hand.

How can I start to love myself?  How can I choose to do good things for me?  How can I stop letting my life be controlled by other people?

These are the questions I have no answers to... 

I'm happy I am aware of it, and that I am trying to find the answers. But I'm afraid I not will be able to do it before I give up life...



 

mobilfreak

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I have worked all day to come in contact with myself and make the tears come out. I know from my experience that I'm sad. Not horny or anxious...

The big question is this... Who do you call when u U need someone at your side but u can't get a name to call?

Thata why it's so hard to let go of the tears...

Why do I don't use my wife? Honestly I don't know. I just don't feel like I get comfort from her.

I reached put to my brother and my dad. Both have there own problems. Dad said he was not good at giving comfort, and he told me to thing over everything again.

My brother said he was sad to and don't know what to do. Both quit answered my texts...


Thetford thing is i get out some tears...  And i Am not sad about my dad and brother way of dealing with it. I reached out and I got the team put. That's what I needed.

What I don't know is why I cry. I just feel this tremendous sorry inside and I don't know what it come from....
Well i know from what I have read. But I can't feel it...  I just cry and cry and cry...

I do it every day, mostly lnside, but once in a while it comes out.

I wish I could call my ex best friend, she was a great shoulder to lean on.

My wife came home now...  She will probably not even notice I'm  been crying for just 5 min ago. She is up in her own life and her business...
 

mobilfreak

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My dad replied now...

"I'm sorry, I need to go to bed have been difficulties to sleep some days. "

And I realize, it's not that strange I feel like i do. I have never called my dad when I'm sad and crying in while my life. And I gave him the chance now. And he was tired and need to sleep.

I'm not sad about it, I have detached from him, but it's interesting and makes me remember its not that strange...  And some people tells me.

Well your parents loves you, u should be happy! But I need to stop listening to what other people say, and see the truth. And do what's best for me...
 

mobilfreak

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Day 2

Woke up to the same shitty feeling I usually do..

Empty, no energy,  just staring, can't make a sound, wife is in the same room and I'm just like a staty. Wife leaves the room I start to function again.

It's hard to understand what's going on
 

mobilfreak

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It's almost 1000 times my journal is opened / read. I guess someone out there find comfort or something about what I write down.

Would be nice to get a pm,  friends is what I need right now
 

superfly

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Reading all your posts just reminds me how tough is to get rid off of this terrible addiction.
I just wonder does sex with your wife help you to overcome the PIED? I think I would never
watch any porn if I had a boyfriend next to me... btw I'm on day 10 and will post later my thoughts on my page...
 

mobilfreak

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superfly said:
Reading all your posts just reminds me how tough is to get rid off of this terrible addiction.
I just wonder does sex with your wife help you to overcome the PIED? I think I would never
watch any porn if I had a boyfriend next to me... btw I'm on day 10 and will post later my thoughts on my page...

PIED? i dont know if i have PIED... it have always worked fine when its time with my wife... only times it dont working is when i dont want to have any sex.

well, my issue isnt really porn, my issue is the anxiety and the codependency. So it doesnt matter if wife is next to me or not, am I anxious as hell and cant sleep, and my wife dont give any comfort at all and u dont have any friend to text or call. PMO is an easy answer...

Great job on your 10 days! looking forward to read your journal...
 

mobilfreak

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day 2.

During my work today i come to a conclusion. A great one, and it made me feel calm and be presence... I read in the book yesterday about detachment, anxiety and control. When a codependent person feel anxious, we need to look around in our lives and see whom we are trying to control, and how that person are controlling us. I found out that i have been controlled by my wife for years, and she, what i hope for, probably done unconsciously.

how does it work? the book took one example from an alcoholic family, but the principle is the same everywhere. I, as a codependent, feel like i need to take care of and rescue people i love from what ever mistakes they do. A codependent person have difficulties to let people handle their own problems, and thats because codependent persons ofter feel much pain, they wont other people to feel the same.

I am a calm person and i really dont get stressed for much. I do get stressed about relationships, but not for anything else, give me anything to do, and i will make it without any stress. Even when its emergency, i dont stress, i keep calm and handle the stuff nice and clean. My wife.... well shes the opposite. She quit her job, because she was to stressed about getting fired. It is true, she been working at the same company for one year, and she been promoted to the office, she still thought she was doing bad, and that she was the next one to get fired. I , as a rescuer, calmed her and comforted her every day and week for one year, and told her she dont need to be worried, they do like her and she doing a great job. One day, she could handle it, and she quit... When she was calm we talked about it, and her brain was now functional, she realized that she was so busy thinking about getting fired that it was her own thought who got her stressed, not the job itself.

well as i am a rescuer, and i do have my own company, i said i will find a job for her, and i did. A great job, only working 2 hours per day  for 60$. when the time was to start her new job, the stress was coming again, and she thought she would not be able to keep the job. She made me to come and work together with her, so she could be calm. and i as nice as I am, did it.

This is the real problem in my life... that i take care of peoples emotions and problems like they are my own. I dont do it because i really want to, i do it because i dont want her to be stressed, because when my wife i stressed, i get depressed. The thing is... my wife do not work on the problem herself, she rely on the comfort from me... and when i do get depressed for real, she start to control me, and do stuff... not because she really loves me, but rather because she need that comfort in her life for her stress she cant handle for herself.

Because i cant help her get rid of the stress, my anxiety keeps bulids up and ends with PMO. My PMO is an obsessive compulsive and have nothing to do with my libido or sex. I could have been self harming or using any other thing to relive the anxiety and pain. I do have some problems with the food and i try to get control in life by eating less.

I read a great thing in the book, a person with pneumonia cant stop cough  until he/she finds the cure for the illness. like an alcoholic (or other person with obsessive compulsive) cant stop their behavior until they find the underlying reason and the cure for their pain and illness. I have found out, that if i stop PMO. I drink. If i stop drink, i use chatrooms, if i stop using chatrooms, i play games, if i stop playgames, i do something else. I just change one thing for another... and thats obvious, because its more under the skin. PMO is only the result and the problem is codependency, depression, anxiety, low self-esteem and low self-love. PMO or non of the other things makes any better in my life, when I do it in manner of obsessive compulsive. But when i am in control withmy life and feelings, i enjoy food, games, drinks, love my wife and so on, and i reallt dont want any PMO in my life at all.

so the key for me is to focus on not being controlled by other people.
 

mobilfreak

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Day 3

Been a fine day.  I'm here and now, feeling fine.  Some days free,  will be interesting in what feeling I will wake up to tomorrow
 
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