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DeltaFosAware

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My need even to masturbate now is pretty much absent. I don't set a timer but I reckon the last time I fapped to Porn must have been about eight weeks ago. Even then that was not part of a pattern of 'continued and frequent use.'

The symptoms of stress you are feeling are quite normal. To my mind the problem was only with the Porn and not the masturbation. I know some people need to avoid BOTH to reboot but I can still use masturbation as a form of sexual relief but I resist using it to self soothe or self comfort. If I feel I need to do that, there must be other issues behind the need, than simple physical relief! I would want to investigate these as well.

Certainly I 100% agree Porn induced ED is a product of regular porn use. As somebody rightly says on another thread 'porn teaches us to have sex with our eyes!' That makes TOTAL SENSE. The link is visual imagery, variety of novel visual and audio images, direct connection from eyes to penis! Notice how quickly you loose the ability to get an erection just by 'thinking about your partner.' The only way you'll restablish that physical connection is by touch, smell, sight and feel. What's more is focusing not just on YOU but your partner. The screen does not touch you, respond to you, ask anything of you...Your human partner will and frankly, at first that's a bit much to handle. They will need much patience with you as you slowly resume the closeness.

What I have noticed over time is an ability to become errect just being near my partner in bed. I think that is a physical association with warmth, fragrance and just that sense of having another human being nearby. Porn removes the human from sex or at least leaves YOU as the ONLY significant human in sex! Why would it be designed to do anything else? Afterall you are the customer, the big cheese, the main man, the director, the writer, and the scenic artist of your own show as you follow the click through pathway to pron paradise!

Is it not interesting that even electronic mastubators you can link to your keyboard are becoming popular? However, it will still be screen, cock and eyes! Whom ever may vary the pace at the other end they won't be really there, they'll still be a pixel generated image and you'll still want MORE...So where next from the toys? What's your poison when the 'normal stuff' does not do it for you any more? Imagine how many a sex offender has asked themselves that question when serving time in the vulnerable Prisoner's Unit and wondering if, when the screws back is turned, they might not be subject to a vicious kicking? It's a salutory thought that this stuff will, because of the nature of your physical brain and the nature of addiction escalate!

I wish you continued good luck and further success in your reboot. I can see you making progress already after a short time. It's never impossible to 'give up on the giving up!' I should know, I tried so often I stopped counting ages ago!
 

DeltaFosAware

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Relapse King, I must tell you this as well, my Ex Wife had not the slightest clue what I was dealing with in my PMO addiction.

I had been up front about from the time we seriously started going out. We were married 18 years and now have two wonderful grown up sons. However, she was an emotional bully and had about zero emotional intelligence! It was possible to tell her about giving up but she expected it to shut off like a switch. Neither would she discuss the relationship issues leading to my using porn to comfort and de-stress. In fact, using porn actually became a child like way of getting revenge on herself.

So all I can say in that respect is I really empathise with yourself. I really do and hence please do this mainly for YOU and NOBODY else.
 
DeltaFosAware

I got very emotional reading the first post and I tell myself the emotions are due to being supper sensitive during this early stage of reboot. The problem with masturbation my mind is telling me is that the on line images are still freshly burnt into my brain from all the years of viewing porn so even if I masturbate for relief I almost sure I can bring the images to the forefront of my imaginary brain as if they were real time. That is why I try to stay completely clean. A drug addict get very strong urges to take drugs just by seeing paraphernalia which triggers very strong urge to use. That scares me into staying clean and attempt this at least in these early stages as no hands on reboot. (I think I made a little joke but maybe not...I'll re-read in a month to see if I still find it a little funny).

Talked to my wife for a short time today on the phone (still out of town) and she said I sounded a little edgy and my reply was that's how guys get when lack of orgasm and that I believe will never change in me. Unless someone can enlighten me on this point from their own experience.

thanks for your very touching post DeltaFA
 
look at me DAY 8  wow longest for as long as i could remember  pat myself on the back. The one thing that I find different is that I have a lot of restless energy like I need to be doing something all the time or when an idea comes in my head I instantly act on it. oh my dash of my car is dirty...wash it right away...stain on the floor clean it immediately, pick up sushi...off I go just acting on everything with restless energy. not saying its a bad thing but that its just a thing that's going on right now on my 8th day.
 
Going out of town for a few days hopefully when i get back friday it will be 11 days. May bring tablet just in case i need help/support. So far so good.
 

DeltaFosAware

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I can see why you are doing the 'no hands reboot', makes total sense to myself. In that respect the less I seem to handle wicked willy, the less wicked willy seems to demand the attention. Maybe it's like switching over from driving a 'stick shift' here in the UK to cruising in a plain old automatic! No gears to shift, just enjoy the ride! (Typical man thing here, cars have ALWAYS been phallic symbols for me since I was a kid, don't get me started on gear sticks and engine power!) My Dad was also WW2 military so you can imagine how I felt about guns as a kid! In fact I sold an excellent Peugeot 206 Sports when I came down to live with my partner and I really miss the sort of 'male thrill' just putting my foot down in that baby just gave me constantly! (Proably a wise sale, I'm a bit to old to just drive stupidly fast for the sheer fun of it (because it IS FUN) and I would have been bound eventually to have been ticked for speeding!

Hang on in there through this 'touchy phase', I've felt the same restless energy as well. Just direct it into something else. I love debating forums on the net, that's often where I direct my energy, as well as into politics and social action. I would actually say I spend longer on Net debating forums than I ever did on porn. In an odd kind of way it also all just works through my brain and, like porn, it's only on-line, mostly no need for personal contact. I think the 'no personal contact' thing was a major part of my porn addiction. For me the porn gave me a sense of regaining control after being metaphorically speaking battered by my now ex-Wife. It kept me tucked away, safe, secure, in charge and master of my own little world. In fact it made me highly anti-social and possibly increased feelings of sociable phobia which still linger to this very day.
 
Met my wife last night and after 8 days dry i finally had release but the porn on line was more explosive dopamine wise. More sensation on line then the real deal. Why? Will it always be like this?
 

DeltaFosAware

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Franky I really haven't had full intercourse since coming pretty much off the porn. All aim an say though is that mutual,masturbation has be great! If Inwere to compare even that to porn I would be forced to say he dopamine rush is different but it's sex with the body, not the eyes! I have to say I would take it over porn any time! I am convinced that slowing sex with the whole body will just over take yo u again' hang on in there.
 
I have never before made 12 days. But will make it this time. Very proud of myself butam still cautious and aware that one week moment can change my progress.
 
Was playing around with a new video editing app this morning and unknowingly found a porn video that had been downloaded to my local drive. My heart started to race and just looking at the page i wanted so badly to open the video and watch it. The urge was so strong i wanted to give this reboot up and take the road so easy to travel. But i deleted it...i actually deleted it.  Wow so proud of myself. Pats on my back. Way to go me!
 

noises1990

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Congrats on doing so! This proves just how much the reboot is worth to you! Never forget that and when in doubt start re-focusing on your goals!

You're strong! You can make it!
 

DeltaFosAware

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Well done King! You know Porn could be about a sense of power and control but didn't that press of the DELTE BUTTON feel truly POWERFUL? I found the use of the remote to change channels on the TV gives me the same kind of buzz too! Carry on King! ENJOY YOUR LIFE!
 
that effin image of the video is still strong in my head...although i deleted it that glimpse of the image is really still fresh in my brain...wish i hadnt seen it...freakin powerful like it almost brings me back to when i started the reboot. have to get it out of my brain...very very strong pull. pissed off at seeing it...bullshit brain is so powerful. i hate this feeling that image was 4 hours ago and still burning in my brain...not out of woods yet but thanks for the encouragement
 

noises1990

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Well, stop feeding it... Do something creative, start building something, play an instrument... If you give that image/thought attention it will only grow and get stronger.... Just acknowledge it and carry on with your things!

Take care and don't be that harsh on yourself!
 

DeltaFosAware

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Sadly we can not 'in see' things, there are a few I still wish I could 'unsee.' Best bit of advice I can give is refocus your thinking....Pick anything, a stupid song lyric, a football score, a list of names, the plot from a favourite film but just put something else in the space in your head!

Otherwise it's like being told 'don't think about the big red bus' and what's the first image you see! Yes the images are powerful but I used to find it wasn't just their power that I found difficult, it was their constant novelty. You might retain a single one and yes, as you have found, I did as well...Mentally  refreshing it until I mapped every pixel and soaked a hand in my own jizz...That's what the physical path way in your brain has been set up for...Think about it logically, where in nature' can any bloke get such hyper-sexualised stimulation? You might think yeah well a Roman Orgy but here we are clicking maybe hundreds of images in a session....Even a physical reality can not compete with this screen that just brings more until we don't even notice. We become like a kid over eating until we make ourselves sick!

Even in the days of the girlie mags it was not as bad. Watched a Documentary with the son of the famous Ben Dover and his Dad on it once. Ben was an early Make porn star and frankly he made a mint! There must have been more hard cash turned over because of his Dick then there was nuns in a convent! He even had a cast made of his Dick and his son was joking with him about it in screen! Yet Ben and his Son concluded that Porn has changed and in fact not for the better. His Son talked to one youth and on a shirt car journey he had to stop in a Pub Car Park for him, while he went into the Gents to close the cubicle and beat off! At the high points in my own porn history that was not unknown to myself and oddly enough it was as the Internet hot faster!

However, stick with this and you'll change the mental wall paper. Just as these neural pathways are laid down so they can be redirected. It's like not driving the same route to work every morning and taking a different route as well as leaving at another time....It's awful, you miss the land marks, you miss the routine but slowly the old route becomes a memory.
 
very insightful post DeltaFosAware. i'm still on tract and that image is starting to fade and not be so strong of a pull towards porn. i'm halfway to my goal of 30 days and i WILL make it

thanks
 
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