Dealing with Shame, PIED and Addiction!

Phineas 808

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...as I wanted to relax the rules for a while.

This may sound counter-intuitive to many, but sometimes this is the best thing we can do. When we just let life be life, and not be so intent on controling, restricting, fixing and spending energy on the very thing we want to be free from, we will find that a lot of things will correct course on their own.

Blessings, brother.
 

Nico

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Thanks Phineas, I like that. Letting life be life should be so easy, and yet I so often find myself wanting to change it or improve it. I am probably reading into it too deeply, and I understand how you meant it - but the phrase sticks out and reminds me of where I got to towards the end of my time working in a buddhist environment. Since starting my job, I realise its had quite an effect on me, and I have lost the basic contentment I had then. Its inspiring as well, and shows me I would benefit a lot from more meditation, and paying more attention to thoughts and how they lead one away from the now, and away from being, and especially being content with the now.
Another thing I had, when I was training to teach buddhism, was a sense of higher purpose and serving something I thought the world needed. That came to an end because I felt as though the buddhist path lacked a few elements I was finding in shamanism, tantra, and healing. Anyway thats a long story and I don't even know if I am right about that. I suppose it is a matter of losing faith.
What I do know is that I want to find a way to get back to that sense of purpose, even mission. My job is an opportunity to help people who are suffering, but not fully, as many aren't ready to address addictions and also I have to work within the parameters of the mental health system which I find limited. A few years ago I had drafted some novels about spiritual journeys and experience, and perhaps that is the way forward. Or keep getting my healing practice going, but again I haven't much energy outside work. Bla bla..i need to shut up and let life be life lol

Anyway 26. 4 hard mode, if I am counting! Feel better today, and reflective. I am going to brainstorm how I can live more aligned with purpose, and how to navigate a shift from being employed long hours to being more free to do my own thing. I think its possible to set goals, and navigate the seas, without trying to change the weather or currents or moments. In other words to have intentions and things I want to change, but still practice contentment, mindfulness and gratitude. Perhaps there is a middle way between acceptance and the desire to change..or a both/and rather than an either/or.
But first I am going to meditate/pray in the sunshine, as its a lovely morning, and more importantly avoid the massive energetic sinkhole, the soul-swallowing life-draining swamp that is porn, and focus on letting things be as they are.
 

Phineas 808

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Thanks Phineas, I like that. Letting life be life should be so easy, and yet I so often find myself wanting to change it or improve it. I am probably reading into it too deeply, and I understand how you meant it - but the phrase sticks out and reminds me of where I got to towards the end of my time working in a buddhist environment. Since starting my job, I realise its had quite an effect on me, and I have lost the basic contentment I had then. Its inspiring as well, and shows me I would benefit a lot from more meditation, and paying more attention to thoughts and how they lead one away from the now, and away from being, and especially being content with the now.

You're welcome, brother. We're complex creatures, us humans, lol... Often when I speak, I may be on multiple tracks, addressing things in a 'multi-plane' type of way... So, yes, I meant the above as very immediate, very surface-level, and yet it has far deeper implications, as you so aptly noted.

I so appreciate Buddhist philosophy as addressing the human condition from an inside out kind of way. I appreciate how craving (tanha) leads to suffering, as that aptly describes addiction. Life is suffering, and suffering arises from craving, the end of suffering is to end craving, and to end craving is via the Noble Eight-fold Path. As you know, many people think that they have to fight cravings to end suffering, but they only increase suffering at that point. But it's not craving or desire perse, but rather attachment to craving that leads to suffering.

Just letting life be life is to simply be, to accept what is (the good, bad, and even the ugly) without attachment. It is, after all, the way to end one's attachment to cravings, desire (even the desire to change!), and to just be, to just live, to enjoy, to love.

I want to throw this in for free, it's natural- or it's what the mind does- to try and fix things, create rules, impose change from outside, etc... But is it innately natural? Maybe not.

Peace.
 

Nico

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Thanks for that - I love it too, even if my path is less buddhist these days I studied and practised it for decades and reminds me I need to meditate more.

For me craving is just that movement away from what is, or accepting it. Wanting this or not wanting that, like a push/pull relationship to reality. Wanting something to change sets it off, but so does not wanting change..which is so natural, clinging to what/who we love (attachment) but also doomed to create suffering as everything and everyone arises and passes. That might seem depressing but its liberating.
As you say, simply being is a way through craving. I also think seeing that craving is not real helps too - it's empty, it's usually just thoughts, starting with the thought or sensation that this moment or my life is not ok as it is. It is based on delusion and illusion - that acting on the craving will lead to happiness or as you say I can control it and make it better.
I find if I can distinguish between the thinking mind and awareness (of senses/breath/spaciousness) then I can see that in awareness there is no problem, nothing wrong. The wrongness is mind made - but that means rightness can be mind made too!

So for porn this is helpful because I might have a thought about using, which multiplies and becomes what feels like a need, but its actually only thoughts. And by thought I mean a mental event - which can be a memory, an image, a fantasy. Or it could be seeing a beautiful woman, which creates thoughts of wanting and can lead to all kinds of feelings. A lot of our feelings are a reflection of our thinking, often if I am feeling low, anxious, not good enough, it has come from a few random thoughts or judgements or comparisons.
So if we can let that initial thought come and go, as we learn to in meditation, the craving is weakened. But the tendency is for the thought to take hold, multiply into other thoughts like 'I can't do this' or 'I deserve some pleasure..' or 'I have to see x or y..' and create an emotion or however the chain works for you that leads back into acting out. It is like we chase after that thought, as though we want to think it again and again, giving it power, letting it define experience. But really, thoughts come and go out of nowhere, like gusts of wind in the sky, and if we can just let the kind of thoughts that lead us into dark places go, then we don't have to use. Nice theory right!? Now if I could just...

Maybe it all sounds very mechanical or over analytical, but I believe there is freedom in that equation: if I can catch the thinking, which I am more likely to do if I am practising meditation (!) then whilst I can't always stop the thinking process I can create space around it and drop into the body, what I can see/hear/touch, this can divert it. For example, when looking at the sky, thoughts seem small and insignificant, but when sat at a computer head in hands, thoughts totally fill my experience and seem to direct it..

Sorry brother, I love discussing this stuff and can easily get on one lol.
 

Nico

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27. I actually did a good period of meditation yesterday, and whenever I do I remember I actually really love it. I had another win as some clothes that were far too small now fit, not my slim clothes yet, but certainly not my fat fat clothes lol.
I am aware I feel good and solid in my recovery again, which is actually a danger sign. I felt as though nothing could stop me on my last streak then bang, suddenly I was lapsing. I have to remember, even or especially when it seems easy, the cunningness and power of the demon of addiction.
 

Phineas 808

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As you say, simply being is a way through craving. I also think seeing that craving is not real helps too - it's empty, it's usually just thoughts, starting with the thought or sensation that this moment or my life is not ok as it is.

This is so much the way it is, and a huge understanding in being able to more naturally and freely (mindfully) dismiss the urges.

Best, brother.
 

TakeActionNow

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I'm really happy to see Buddhism being discussed and used on your path to liberation.

Do you use the 12 links of dependent origination to help? I use rebirth here as 'relapse'.

My main mantra is still all about letting go. The other plan is replacement strategy.
It's easier than a mental logic debate!
 

PrometheusUnbound

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27. I actually did a good period of meditation yesterday, and whenever I do I remember I actually really love it. I had another win as some clothes that were far too small now fit, not my slim clothes yet, but certainly not my fat fat clothes lol.
I am aware I feel good and solid in my recovery again, which is actually a danger sign. I felt as though nothing could stop me on my last streak then bang, suddenly I was lapsing. I have to remember, even or especially when it seems easy, the cunningness and power of the demon of addiction.
Glad to hear you are doing well. I think we all experience that good feeling followed by a crash. I guess it's important to remember that the good feelings are just as fleeting as the bad ones and don't last forever.
 

Nico

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I'm really happy to see Buddhism being discussed and used on your path to liberation.

Do you use the 12 links of dependent origination to help? I use rebirth here as 'relapse'.

My main mantra is still all about letting go. The other plan is replacement strategy.
It's easier than a mental logic debate!
Hi, not consciously, but I guess what I have been getting at is the point of freedom between sensation and craving/grasping but it could be used otherwise. Honestly haven't given it much thought! I agree that logic is not helpful - its got to be experiential not conceptual, but when I really look at sensations I can see they do not automatically have to lead to craving or taking actions - not through thinking about them but investigating them in the body. Same with what I see or think (buddhism considers mind a sense) there can be that gap between the sense input and reaction...which is where freedom lies. I can only do any of this when I am in the right space though, and what I notice is when I am tired or emotional, its very difficult so you're right - replace, avoid, breathe, run, hit stuff and shout lol
 

Nico

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28. A bit frustrated - set myself up for a good sleep but woke up after two hours having a really disturbing dream where i was having an intervention with family and family friends, some of whom are dead now. Porn appeared in it, ie trying to hide materials, but it was about them getting really tough with me as I had been drinking and lying about it. I haven't ofc, but in the dream I realised I had been. Interesting, and very uncomfortable..and I lay awake for ages bothered by it, and the fact that none of this happened back in the day, as in there was no family or community to hold me up as it all fell apart and I nearly died. I know that I have a yearning for that - real community, but it seems so hard to find!

I actually opened up website I shouldn't to try to soothe, then realised what I was doing and did some breathing till I eventually got back to sleep..a perfect example of lack of mindfulness. Being tired, slightly shocked and shaken, its like some other drive or part of me can take the helm without me even realising, until it does. Then its a choice - its so easy to keep looking, to chase pleasure or that soothing..but you can tear yourself away at any point. I have noticed these moments every time I have faltered - the higher self comes in and you know its not a good idea, you know you should close the window on it, but the other drive can so easily override that, almost determined to keep scrolling or looking or chasing pleasure. Its like a tug of war between what we are all trying to do, and the part of you that is like 'no I actually do want to use.'

I suppose it really boils down to which part of you is more powerful. Maybe it is a muscle - the strength to stop yourself in the first place, and the weight of experience with this strengthens the motivation to turn away. In a way that is good news, as it means every time there is a win in terms of not acting on temptations, you are growing stronger at it. And vice versa..the fuck it button becomes easier to push.
I wonder also, whether that baser part needs an outlet, a way to express itself? Actually finding somewhere to shout and pound pillows, or hulk smash!
 

Nico

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29. Skating close to the line, but hanging in there. I think it would help to revisit my why, and all the inspiration I had at the beginning because I looked at a few videos before tearing myself away last night. Something triggered a desire to look at a genre I had forgotten about, and experienced that addictive desire to look at more..but I did stop and no PMO. Its stupid to do that, and I know it - and dangerous, its playing with fire. Its almost as if I am testing myself, or kind of stopped caring to some extent, or lost faith in the future of my love life. So back to basics, and over the next few days I will do some work on it, because if I don't I can see a relapse is coming.
I need that fire back where I treat it like the most important thing in my life. I think i have let other issues take priority, other frustrations, and taken my eye off the ball a bit. If I look at what was going on yesterday; bad sleep, back pain, then after work I went to my storage unit with a view to emptying it and saving myself some cash, but had forgotten how much shit is in there. This led to a feeling of being ungrounded and unsettled, and feeling like my life is in a mess. Anyway, it will change, theres been no PMO, I just need to change my perspective and find more resolve.
 

Blondie

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. Skating close to the line, but hanging in there. I think it would help to revisit my why, and all the inspiration I had at the beginning because I looked at a few videos before tearing myself away last night.
Hey @Nico, we've all been there. Learning how to keep the WHY fresh in our minds, is definitely one of the key things in our recovery. It's very easy to feel it when we've just begun, but yes, after a month or so, that high starts to dwindle, leaving us with the question: why am I really doing this?

Keep pressing on and asking those hard questions.
 

Nico

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32. Still hanging in there, but had a few flirtations with porn last week and a crappy few days with headaches, and feel tired, confused, and low. I was exploring my reasons for doing this, and if I am honest they are dissolving. My main motivator has been a healthy relationship and love, but I've been reflecting on this and that motivation is low - thinking about the hurdles and heartbreaks that I have been through and probably to come, and wondering if its worth it! Of course I long for someone right for me, and to share this journey of life with her, and hope springs eternal but at the moment that hope is flimsy. I am meeting this woman next week, and it may be friendship or may be something else but have low confidence about romance right now. I feel tired of working so hard to become right or good enough for love, like an endless quest. I know people will say that I am good enough, and do deserve it, as they have said before, but I don't know if I truly believe that.
So if love is my motivation, as it was when I stopped drinking (to try to win someone back who I hurt with the chaos) is that enough? I know I should be wanting to do this for myself, but if I am to stay single and avoid intimacy I wonder if it really matters whether or not I use porn. At the moment life feels very messy and I feel a lot of difficult feelings about how I've messed it all up. I have been sort of waiting for change, and am in a kind of halfway house where the investments I hoped would set me free to create a different life have not gone to plan yet, so I feel stuck for now. I took a big gamble with investments after my last breakup, kind of threw my cards in the air and right now it looks like a stupid thing to have done, but I still feel that in time it will turn it ok. I suppose I need to look at where I can make changes, and take my power back from that sense of waiting or stuckness. Remind myself of what I feel is my purpose in this life, and perhaps also look at these beliefs about love, and failures.
Anyway, all a bit depressing, apologies, but thats where I am at this weekend. No PMO still, but shaky as fuck. I know that my practices would help but can't quite manage to do them this weekend - headaches and low motivation. Maybe later I will feel up to some meditation and so on. At least I know that M/P with a headache isn't fun and makes it worse, so thats a saving grace perhaps!
 

PrometheusUnbound

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Sorry to hear you are in a tough spot. I just wanted to say that it still matters that you are on the journey whether you are single or not. Partly because you need to be kind to yourself, and also because it won't always be like this. It will get better and you are on the right path even if it doesn't feel like it right now.

Best.
 

TakeActionNow

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It is good to remember that love is born out of attraction.
So while we are attracted towards others it is also important to remain attractive ourselves.
And the best way to be attractive is to be interesting.

Forget partners for the moment and be wholely interested with yourself.
What do you like to do?
What do you like to eat?
Why are you interested in this and that?
Why does this or that does what it does?
Whats there to do this weekend and the next?
Etc etc

Consider self interest and self attraction a simple reboot/rehab project.

Give it a few weeks, you'll discover
1. You'll not be so partner hungry
2. You'll be busier with more self interest projects
3. You'll become significantly more attractive and more people will take interest in you

You got this!
 

Nico

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Well I hate to say it but I used, and not just once. I am going to take a little time to gather my motivation again, watch some of the videos that started my journey and read my early posts again. I am still run down and not feeling resourced at all, so will focus on getting some good sleeps in, self care, and journalling about what I want to do now.
I just had a good chat with a friend though, and feel a bit more motivated. I am meeting up with a woman on Friday, so that alone is enough motivation to put it down for a while and be in a better place. I also acknowledge two longish streaks (for me) of 45 and 33 days, which is a lot of progress and not something to dismiss or throw away now. I was not feeling to start a count, but here we go its day 1, and tonight i am going out dancing and intend to do a shamanic journey as well.
 

Nico

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Well here we go again, day two. I am not beating myself up and feel relaxed about it, but this is a bastard of an addiction. Following Simon's advice I am having a look at overall behaviour changes, which are significant actually. Lost a good amount of weight and this is ongoing, doing more social things, a lot of dancing, getting more dates and generally living in a better energy. From where i was to using porn three times in about four months is a lot of progress, and yes I had a slip but am back on the wagon and looking forward to seeing how these changes pan out. Last night at dance they had some viking music on, and I got in touch with my inner viking, having visions of smashing through scenes and porn stars and toxic connections with my exes..was quite invigorating actually. I visualised letting go of lots of layers of toxicity and negative beliefs, allowing myself to empty out and drop all my ideas about who I am and how life should be, and being open and ready to be guided by my higher power with no interference from my expectations or agendas. This is challenging but interesting - like can I really let go and flow, letting life take me where it will!?
 
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