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now-man

Member
Thanks Leon for that description - it matches what I've been experiencing. I've been practicing 2 seconds when I notice someone arousing or attractive, or a photo. What I like is: I don't have to force myself not to look, I can register what I see, and then I look away and move on feeling pretty balanced instead of gazing and feeling obsessive about it. It's  a healthy option.
 

lyon03

Respected Member
"I've found I can replace The Thing with more healthy, creative pursuits that bring me joy (playing guitar, writing, martial arts, etc). So if I'm achieving fulfillment through those activities, the desire to seek it elsewhere fades." Great insight brother. You're well on your way to 30 days and beyond. Be well. PORN IS NOT AN OPTION.
 
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Leon

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now-man said:
Thanks Leon for that description - it matches what I've been experiencing. I've been practicing 2 seconds when I notice someone arousing or attractive, or a photo. What I like is: I don't have to force myself not to look, I can register what I see, and then I look away and move on feeling pretty balanced instead of gazing and feeling obsessive about it. It's  a healthy option.

Exactly! It really allows for the natural (attraction) without falling into an obsessive mindset. The obsessive mindset can happen both ways, either by denying our natural attractions all together (trying not to look), or by looking too long (glaring, leering, lusting).

The two second rule is a nice way of bypassing that.
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Lyon, as always, thanks for the encouragement!

Leon, thank you for the eloquence and insight. We should strive for that middle ground where we can acknowledge and appreciate without obsessing and the two-second rule is a great exercise in helping us get there.

I had a slight breakthrough this afternoon. I was cruising by the magazine aisle at the grocery store and picked up the new Maxim magazine (it has a new owner and I was curious to see what changes he'd made). Flipping through, I came across an ad featuring an attractive woman posing in front of a sports car. My first thought was "My wife would look great in that outfit".

My second (and more pronounced) thought was "Holy shit, is that the new Lamborghini Countach?!?!?!"

Is "car lust" a bad thing?  ;D
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Man! It's been a tough Christmas.

My mother-in-law is visiting from out of town all week (which in and of itself isn't a bad thing...she's awesome).  But my wife, being the old fashioned girl she is, has enacted a "No hanky panky" policy while her mom's here.

And sadly, this forced me to hole up one night when they were both asleep and go solo (though without porn or any outside visual stimuli). All I thought of was my my hot little yet insanely frustrating wife.

Then about four days later, I had an incredibly erotic dream about her...which was a great outlet. But it left me so horny the following day, I literally thought I was going to explode!

At least my lust seems focused in the right direction.

But alas, alack and a chicken a-la king...my mother-in-law doesn't head home until Tuesday!

It's going to be a long two days...
 
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Leon

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You're doing great, Punk Monk! Use that Tuesday as a reward day, for holding out. Make it really special between you and her. In the meanwhile, just ride out the urges when they come- as they're like waves of the ocean. They rise and then subside, and if you don't respond to them, you're the better man for it.

Be well.
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Thanks for the kind words, Leon. But I think I screwed myself (both literally and figuratively).

I couldn't help it. I just had to fly solo and "take care of myself" Sunday night...all the while thinking about my lovely bride. But it just wasn't really enjoyable (which is actually not a bad thing).

And even though we were finally able to get the Mother-in-Law home safely Tuesday, the Missus and I weren't able to get it on until today (work and schedules and such).

While I could get it up, I didn't last as long as I normally do. And subsequently, was not able to come.

To top it off, she's just got a visit from her monthly friend. Although she's game for another try tonight (ring in the New Year!), I know the store will be closing shortly.

I wonder if that had something to do with it. Maybe I felt the pressure to blow my load ("It has to be now or you won't get another chance until next week!").

Or maybe it's been spending too much time in my head.

One thing's for sure, the REAL thing is way better than the virtual stuff. As long as I can keep that in my mind and heart, healthy sex should be on its way...
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
My wife reached seven months of sobriety. Inspired by her discipline, I decided to enact my own "Hands Off Myself" policy.

While I've been able to resist porn or actively searching for stimulating imagery, I've still been "going solo" when The Missus and I couldn't have sex (due to relative and/or "Monthly Friend" visits).

And as much as I hate to admit it, The "Spank Bank" memory Rol-a-Dex almost has the same effect as porn.  It creates a fantasy scenario that can never actually be achieved. And regardless of where the imagery comes from, it still results in a dissociative relationship with reality.

So during my period of "Sobriety", I played close attention to what was going on in my head.

The first day or two, there was an inexplicable irritation. I chalk this up to being a mild form of withdrawal.

The next couple of days, I noticed an increase in the lust levels. And I found myself looking at members of the Fairer Sex with just enough lasciviousness to be off-putting, but not flat out creepy.  During this phase, temptations were high. But inspired by my wife, I stuck to my guns (by not touching my pistol :) ).

And then...it stopped.  No cravings. No lust. No irritation. Just...balance.  In fact, I was worried something was wrong. So much time had been spent thinking about/worrying about/obsessing about sex that I wondered if my Libido packed up its things and moved to Sweden.  But one kiss from the Missus got the Little Monk up and about. And I thought..."So this is how it's suppossed to work! Feels good!"

I guess the point is that if you can make it past that first phase - whether it's a day, a week or a month - it's pretty much all down hill from there.

But in the meantime, if I may paraphrases The Georgia Satellites: "Don't you hand yourself lies and keep yo' hands to yo' self!"
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
The lingering effects of porn/PIED are still with me.

After an eight day hiatus, the Missus and I finally got our groove on. And it was wonderful! For about two minutes. Then I instantly went into my head and went soft. The weird thing is that there was absolutely no reason to! She was as gorgeous and sexy as ever! But it was just...reflex. I'm just used to doing that to get myself off.

Plus, I think I was worried about ejactulating. So I put pressure on myself. Fortunately, we worked through it and the Little Monk was able to stand on his own and do his thing a little later. I'm very lucky to have such a patient wife

I wish there was some magic I could do to stop me from using the mental Rol-a-Dex. But the only solution is..."Don't".

Don't worry about getting off. Don't think about anything else.

One of my New Year's resolutions is to work on being more in the present. Pretty sure that'll help with this problem. After all, why think about a porn scenario when I can star in my own?

So...this year, my motto will be "Just screw it and do it!"
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Didn't listen to my own advice from the last post.

It was still a bit touch and go with the missus this afternoon.  Managed to make it happen, but I spent WAY too much time in my head than on her body.

I know that I'm:

  • Putting too much pressure on myself to finish.
    Instantly going to the my comfort zone (i.e. the Mental Rol-A-Dex) to help. Spoiler alert: it doesn't help.
    Not staying in the present.
    Holding off so she finishes before me.

The one thing I'm not doing is just laying back and enjoying myself.  That'll bring relaxation. Which in turn, will bring good results.

My wife lectured me on going into my head ("Don't do that"). And she prescribed the best solution. We'll just have to have more sex.

My kind of doctor!
 
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Leon

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Punk Monk said:
Didn't listen to my own advice from the last post.

It was still a bit touch and go with the missus this afternoon.  Managed to make it happen, but I spent WAY too much time in my head than on her body.

I know that I'm:

  • Putting too much pressure on myself to finish.
    Instantly going to the my comfort zone (i.e. the Mental Rol-A-Dex) to help. Spoiler alert: it doesn't help.
    Not staying in the present.
    Holding off so she finishes before me.

The one thing I'm not doing is just laying back and enjoying myself.  That'll bring relaxation. Which in turn, will bring good results.

My wife lectured me on going into my head ("Don't do that"). And she prescribed the best solution. We'll just have to have more sex.

My kind of doctor!

Good doctor!

My bad habits before affected me somewhat during sex, like, I'd prematurely ejaculate sometimes, or struggled to have good control. But, it was actually this place that gave me a fear of E.D. a while back, and as a result had performance issues.

For me, getting out of my head was also very important- not so much because I was thinking of other women, but because I had to get away from thinking about my own performance. I started to refuse any thought about what if I go soft, etc..., I would just strongly affirm to myself that I would stay strong, and finish strong.

Most times I focus on my wife finishing first. I've been mostly in the moment also, more and more. One thing I'll do, to be honest, Punk Monk, is- if I'm concerned about going soft, I'll quickly conjure up an image- and it helps me, but my over all intent is to make sure she (my wife) is pleased. Because if lil' Jimmy (not his actual name, lol...) goes soft, then aint no one getting pleased... It's important enough for me to do that sometimes, or there's other scenes I sometimes visualize (from nature) that help (oddly enough) her to orgasm. This may sound strange, but imagining lightning striking a rock seems to do it for her, lol... but she's unaware that I'm focusing on that in the moment, though I've told her before.

Bottom line, and I think you'd agree, sex is very spiritual- and so, we may use our minds during the act- and I think it's good to move away from the rolladex, and experiment with different scenarios.

Be well.
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Leon said:
For me, getting out of my head was also very important- not so much because I was thinking of other women, but because I had to get away from thinking about my own performance. I started to refuse any thought about what if I go soft, etc..., I would just strongly affirm to myself that I would stay strong, and finish strong.

Thanks, Leon! I really like that last part. Think I'll give that a shot.

Most times I focus on my wife finishing first.

I have tried that. But my wife also has trouble finishing (we chalk it up to some of the meds she's on). So on the plus side, she's very sympathetic to Our Cause. She also encourages me to finish (because I think the sneaky little minx is trying to get preggers...which is also putting a little pressure on me).

Bottom line, and I think you'd agree, sex is very spiritual- and so, we may use our minds during the act- and I think it's good to move away from the rolladex, and experiment with different scenarios.

Indeed! Thanks for the advice, ideas and the pep talk.
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
My wife surprised me this afternoon by wandering into the living room with nothing on but panties.

Thankfully, the guests had just left.

Nah. I'm kidding.

They were still there.  ;D

Okay...none of that happened expect the missus's surprise. I was still a bit bugged with performance anxiety, but I put some of Leon's advice into a mantra; "I'll start strong, stay strong and finish strong (and doggone it...people like me!)"

I must say...it helped tremendously! However, when I felt some of the signs of a softening, I did duck into my head for a second (I even tried the lightening striking a rock visual...didn't quite do it for me). This time, it wasn't a fantasy, so much as  memory of something the missus did a few minutes earlier that I found really sexy. After that, I could stay in the moment and finish strong.

The goal, of course, is to completely refrain from calling up any imagery for help. So right now...I still need the life jacket. But at least I didn't need it for long.

I'd call that progress.

Monk.
 
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Leon

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Yes! Definitely progress.

(...and doggone it...people like me!) LOL!
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Whelp, major relapse yesterday.

The missus has closed the store due to a visitation from Aunt Flo who comes every month (you get the picture).

But I was horny. And she was asleep. So I turned to the internet for comfort.

Again...you get the picture.

I went back and looked up some softcore pictures of my old "digital playmates" and went to town.

Funny thing is...I didn't really enjoy it. And about half way through, the fantasies turned from the celebs to my wife.

Clearly my psyche recognizes that the real thing is much more fun.

So, I've reset the counter to 90 days. Three months from now will also mark one year that my wife's been sober. And if she can do it...so can I!

Bombs away!

Monk
 

lyon03

Respected Member
Thanks for sharing PM. I liked this post because you didn't get down on yourself for relapsing. You're rightly using it as a learning experience for long-term recovery. Bravo my friend. PORN IS NOT AN OPTION.
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Lyon, as always...thanks for the inspiration and encouragement.

Everything we go through here should be treated as a learning experience. Relapses sometimes happen. The important thing is what we take away from it and use to make our resolve even stronger.

For me, this episode reinforced what an illusion the compulsion to jack it can be. Sure, it "seemed like a fun idea at the time". But it really wasn't. Not at all. And definitely not when compared to the real thing.

Quite literally about midway through I was thinking "Why am I doing this when there's a real live woman in the other room?" (and I know how fortunate I am to have this...believe me).

The other thing I noticed is that shortly after, I experience very real symptoms of withdrawal. I'm moody, short tempered and easily irritated.  On more than few occasions I found myself being short with people...especially the missus.  Thankfully, I'm able to catch myself and recognize it for what it is before it gets out of hand. It usually settles down after a few days.

For a little while, it feels like my wife's "Monthly Visitor" is doing double duty!

Live and learn, folks.

Monk
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
The wife and I got into a little tiff this morning.  She called me out for being moody and snapping at her a bit too much.

This is the mental aspect of Porn Addiction. Engaging a little introspection into the reason, I find it's not just the withdrawal.  There's a part of my brain that's actually angry at her for not being the airbrushed, picture perfect image of the supermodels I used to jack it too.

Or perhaps "it" (that insidious id part of the brain) is looking for justification. It's finding just enough fault to validate the feeling of dissatisfaction so I'll engage in bad  behavior.

What's fascinating is witnessing The Mind at war with itself.  The Porn Brain definitely wants its dopamine rush.

The comment from my wife this morning, though, was an eye opener and a mood shifter. Immediately after getting to the heart of the matter, all desire to look for porn imagery vanished.

Monk
 

Punk Monk

Active Member
Another incident in the series of reminders that porn is NOT the way.

My wife and I were both working from home today, each trying to juggle our calls, tasks and mini-crises. But a little after lunch time, she asked if I wanted to get it on.

Alas, while The Little Monk was able to salute, he was not able to finish. And he lost his enthusiasm soon after. 

Now, there could be many factors that contributed to this. One could have been the time pressure. I had a conference call in 40 minutes and, much as I hate to admit it, I was watching the clock more than my lovely lady.

Another could have been the suddenness of the opportunity. The Missus's monthly friend has had an abnormally long visit this time (this could possibly portend some good news, though. So fingers crossed), so we hadn't gotten it on in close to two weeks. And while, I stayed true to my commitment to avoid outside stimuli, I did engage in some self help (with thoughts only of my dear sweet wife).

The point is, I'm tired of being The Goldilocks of Sex...where everything has to be juuuuuuust right to have a good ol' normal time.

It wasn't too long ago that I was already ready for action.  Now, it's come to this.

So, this has doubled my resolve to complete reboot an rewire the brain to its factory reset working condition.

My wife's heading out of town tomorrow to visit her family for a few days. Think I'll do a little spiritual tune up while she's gone...

Monk. 
 
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