Trashing a Life Without Knowing It

carlson

Member
Crossing day 70 today. 

So much work has been done over the last couple of weeks, and though there is plenty of work to do in the future, I am thankful for getting to the place I am today.  I'm fortunate that people around me were willing to give me me help.  My wife, first of all, made all the difference.  Her help, advice, questions, and even outrage have been key to this - she discovered this forum and many other resources and helped me learn from them.  She never stopped engaging with me and with the problem, no matter how much it hurt her or how angry or frightened she was.  There are so many reasons that I think she is the finest person I know, but what she did in the last two months has been super-human.  She is amazing.

Therapy helps to guide me to better behaviors and better tracks of thinking.  This forum, and the encouragement, information, and ideas contained within are essential.  Having an accountability partner has also been important - both to strengthen resolve and to get out of my own head to focus on others.  The addiction continues to leave my body - good riddance - and I am able to understand and confront many aspects of my behaviors and thinking that made the addiction possible in the first place.  None of this is easy, but even now, so early in the process of creating a better life for me and my family, there are tangible and powerful benefits already in place.

It's interesting how the disciplines I reached for to help me reboot have had powerful ancillary benefits.  I went on a media diet - avoiding news, etc. and found that not only am I calmer as a result - but that I have much more perspective and clarity about what's going on in the world without reading or viewing endless commentary.  I stopped drinking alcohol and coffee - and as a result feel much happier, stronger, and clearer.  It's a lot easier to wake up in the morning.  I started to meditate again - and as a result have much more understanding of my own emotional state, and am beginning to better manage the unreasonableness of moods, etc.

I've also learned that I don't have the answers - that any assumptions I have are just that, assumptions.  Therefore I'm asking more questions, I'm listening more, and I'm learning a lot more.  I have found that discovering that I don't know is one of the most freeing discoveries of my life.  I don't know - so let's learn, let's figure it out.  The ego still asserts itself here on a regular basis - but less so every day.  I don't want to know anymore.  I want to learn.

My thoughts are focusing more and more on others - and the more I'm concerned about other people's welfare, especially my wife and daughter, friends, and associates - but also strangers that I might see as I go through the day, or fellow rebooters I "meet" on-line - the better I feel, and the more I can stay away from negative cycles of self hatred, insecurity, and hiding from others behind masks.

The greatest benefit of this process has been the opportunity to connect with my wife and daughter.  There is quite a bit of difficulty here - and by no means are the relationships fixed, but every connection made, every conversation, every moment of laughter has been a gift.  I am seeing them  more clearly than I ever did - understanding more about who they are and what they want out of life - listening closer to their thoughts, ideas, feelings and wit - and have been uplifted by the waves of love I feel for both of them. They are two amazing women. I am so lucky to be with them today. Despite the painful regret I feel about wasting so many years withdrawing from them and the loss of important parts of life - the joy I feel about any connection with them today is overwhelming.

A "hard reboot" is as described: "hard".  It asks us to go deeper than we have before, it requires us to embrace discomfort, to walk away from the selfish ego, to become better people.  It's much more than not doing something - it's about embracing a new kind of life, with intimacy, with honesty, and with courage.

70 days is a relatively short period of time - but it's amazing how much can change. 

It's worth doing. Don't give up.
 
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Boo

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Very thoughtful post carlson. You're on your way. You know it. NOW, we all know it. You have a lot of blessings in your life, it sounds like to me. Lots to build on going forward.
 
Congrats Carlson on reaching day 70.  Maybe I'm reading into your post too much but I have the feeling that your wife was/or still is giving you a hard time about  your problem.  Me looking from the outside tries to put myself in your wife's shoes and then your shoes.  I know counselors can bust balls also.  You seem contrite and sincere so I hope that you are not being blasted on a daily basis at home.  I understand that your wife felt neglected.  I do not think she can heal until she forgives you. If she hasn't forgiven you yet I do not know how things can get better long term.  Maybe she just has to learn to trust and it will take time.  Anyways, I'm pulling for you and your family to get through this..

Dave
 

carlson

Member
Dave and Boo,

Thank you for the notes - your words are very kind and encouraging - and make a real difference.

To expand on yesterday's post, my wife is the source of any real understanding in this process.  She has given me all the tools to redeem myself and has never stopped engaging with the problem directly.  I don't know how she has done it given what I put her through. She wasn't simply "neglected" she was betrayed and abandoned by me - even though I was there physically, I was not there mentally or emotionally.  Eight years of her life were turned into something awful - and the whole time she thought it was her fault.  She is the most loving and beautiful person I've even known.

If I am victorious over PMO, but do not somehow give her a fraction of the love she has given me, I am a failure.  I can't simply focus on recovery of self, it is all about recovery of the relationship and of intimacy. She is probably better able to forgive than most people in the world - but she needs and deserves me to be fully recovered from the addiction AND the selfish thought patterns of an addict.

My wife is the hero of this story.  If we make it through this, it will be because of her.

I hope that eventually everyone in the world understands that porn is a direct attack on our ability to be intimate with others - that it destroys the very things that make us human, that make us happy, that make us able to build a future with others.  All of us who have been addicted know in our hearts that we have lost something fundamental that makes us human - our ability to connect.  It's not just sex, it's life.

Let's all get the capacity to be intimate back as soon as we can - let's reach out to everyone who matters in our life and lift them up somehow.  Let's be the people we always should have been. 
 

carlson

Member
Mood Swings - for me it has been more like a total mood drop.  I thought I had seen the worst of it weeks ago - but got surprised this week with another drop.  Unlike normal shifts in emotion, there are a few things that are markedly different about these -

1.  It happens even when my thought patterns and experiences are mostly positive
2.  While it's happening, I find it almost impossible to understand what I am feeling.  When my wife asked me why I was acting so down, I was honestly surprised - and thought that I was in a good place.  Instead, I felt a numbness of emotion, almost as if I wasn't feeling anything at all.
3.  After the numbness comes the real drop - anger, panic, and extreme despair.  Tantrums, craziness continue - then descend into really dark depression.

This isn't me -this isn't how I usually have a bad mood or get depressed.  I got cocky at day 70, and thought there was smooth sailing ahead.  But there are still rocks in the water, there are still challenges to come.

For those sailing behind me - beware the rocks!  They are there whether you are at day 20 or day 70.  Be mindful of your emotions and do everything you can to pull out quickly.

Feeling much better today.  We've got to come up with a better description of this symptom than "mood swings"!
 
Carlson - I found out during this reboot they come out of no where.  Once again I posted this video.  I listen to it every night before I go to bed.  Try it once and let me know what you honestly think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMTFJ7mo1B8
 

carlson

Member
Despite the mood swings, giving up of PMO has been going well.  I have no desire to go back and no urges.  The challenge continues to be trying to fix what I broke for so many years, reconnecting to family and becoming a better person who connects honestly and openly - and has the courage not to withdraw into my own thoughts.  I feel like I'm making progress here, but I am impatient - and want to stop being self-obsessed as quickly as humanly possible.  Self reflection and examination is important in this process, but it can't become the new addiction.  I must put my mind where it belongs, on the world around me and all the very real, very complex, and very interesting people around me...especially my family.

I am embarrassed to say that I have not paid enough attention to something that has hurt my recovery.  I still looked at young women and objectified them.  This is not what I want to do, this is not what a real man does - and yet, my eye continued to scan wherever I was and see a woman's body.  I felt that by looking away, or constantly thinking about faces, eyes, and who those women might be, that the scanning would go away, that eventually I would not even notice - and there were times when I didn't, making me feel like I was on the right track.

However, this addiction is tricky.  If anything, I was probably scanning more during this reboot, and found myself unable to control it accept by constantly looking away.  I didn't take this seriously enough - I didn't realize that looking is actually a porn substitute, that the addicted mind was pushing for more and more - not falling away.

It hurt my wife when she saw me do it.  Hurt her incredibly.  The more I denied it as a problem to her and to myself, the more it hurt her.  I hurt her self-esteem so badly, and then made it worse by denying it was a problem.

In the last few days, I've taken this issue up to the top of my internal list - this has to be beaten to the ground, just like PMO - with no escape, no back door, no relenting.  This is more than just not having a second look or lingering on someone - this is avoiding the scanning in the first place.  I've noticed a difference already, with better and more focus on things that matter.  I feel like I'm really starving the addiction now - much more than before.  This takes a much higher level of focus, but it is working. I am fighting with everything I've got.  There is no going back.

I've made a new and much deeper decision by turning away from this behavior.  I'm determined to make this decision every moment of every day until the behavior is as dead as PMO in my life.
 
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Boo

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carlson,

I agree that the constant "looking" can be a real problem, even many days or weeks into a reboot. It's just something that has to be managed and mastered just like cravings and urges to view or act out with porn. I use the 2 second rule that Leon explained in his journal. It takes practice but it is effective.

I truly believe that because men are visually stimulated, we are just simply always going to be inclined to look, almost as a reflex. To me, that's okay as long as I can appreciate a female for her, YES, physical beauty, but don't let myself drown in it. I mean, really, women are everywhere. It's hard to avoid seeing them. I think the 2 second rule , although seemingly so simple, allows us to be men while at the same time teaches us the discipline to not lustfully stare. Fantasies usually won't have time to take root with the 2 second rule. I like the practicality of it.

Anyway.....I'm out of here tomorrow, best of luck with your efforts to stay well and heal the damage in some of your personal relationships. I think your heading toward a good place in your life. I hope all goes well for you.
Boo
 
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Chip

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carlson said:
Despite the mood swings, giving up of PMO has been going well.  I have no desire to go back and no urges.  The challenge continues to be trying to fix what I broke for so many years, reconnecting to family and becoming a better person who connects honestly and openly - and has the courage not to withdraw into my own thoughts.  I feel like I'm making progress here, but I am impatient - and want to stop being self-obsessed as quickly as humanly possible.  Self reflection and examination is important in this process, but it can't become the new addiction.  I must put my mind where it belongs, on the world around me and all the very real, very complex, and very interesting people around me...especially my family.

I am embarrassed to say that I have not paid enough attention to something that has hurt my recovery.  I still looked at young women and objectified them.  This is not what I want to do, this is not what a real man does - and yet, my eye continued to scan wherever I was and see a woman's body.  I felt that by looking away, or constantly thinking about faces, eyes, and who those women might be, that the scanning would go away, that eventually I would not even notice - and there were times when I didn't, making me feel like I was on the right track.

However, this addiction is tricky.  If anything, I was probably scanning more during this reboot, and found myself unable to control it accept by constantly looking away.  I didn't take this seriously enough - I didn't realize that looking is actually a porn substitute, that the addicted mind was pushing for more and more - not falling away.

It hurt my wife when she saw me do it.  Hurt her incredibly.  The more I denied it as a problem to her and to myself, the more it hurt her.  I hurt her self-esteem so badly, and then made it worse by denying it was a problem.

In the last few days, I've taken this issue up to the top of my internal list - this has to be beaten to the ground, just like PMO - with no escape, no back door, no relenting.  This is more than just not having a second look or lingering on someone - this is avoiding the scanning in the first place.  I've noticed a difference already, with better and more focus on things that matter.  I feel like I'm really starving the addiction now - much more than before.  This takes a much higher level of focus, but it is working. I am fighting with everything I've got.  There is no going back.

I've made a new and much deeper decision by turning away from this behavior.  I'm determined to make this decision every moment of every day until the behavior is as dead as PMO in my life.
Bravo.  You are so right, it is hard to break the habit of scanning, I mean it goes back to when we first noticed girls.  We trained ourselves to use our eyes as little "Heat Seekers", scanning the horizon for the next Hottie.  So we have decades of practice, its essentially on autopilot, so it takes conscious effort ahead of time to over ride the system.  I read recently 80% of what each person does in a day is done outta habit.  We're made this way to free up brain power to function better, but if we've written in some bad programming we get bad behaviors.  It takes time and effort to change habits, not to mention overcoming the DeltaFosB that makes the wires run to those old habits more conductive than the new ones.  But it can be done, be well as you approach 80 days.

Later
 

balanced

Active Member
I agree with Boo, simple rules can be great reinforcement in the moment. For me the ideal is to be able to look, acknowledge and move on. No second look, no long stare, no embellishing the visual into something sexual. Most certainly we can and should be aware of our surroundings, but we need not be scanning for the next great female visual as a P-sub.

I am impressed by your tough stance as a way to get a handle on it, I took the same stance and it has served me well. I found it a hard habit to break, and one that I actually had to stay on top of for a while.

Good luck, you can do it. Self-discipline is the path to true freedom.
 

Gracie

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And we all know what happened to that driver that had the car that wrecked while on "Autopilot"  LOL
 
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Chip

Guest
Gracie said:
And we all know what happened to that driver that had the car that wrecked while on "Autopilot"  LOL
Your so bad.  ;D
 

carlson

Member
Passed day 80 over the weekend.  I've never felt this good.  Ever.  Not that I'm euphoric or anything - just feel good about what I'm doing with my life.  I'm so overwhelmingly grateful for what life has given me, and for the chance to break this addiction.  A vision of life without porn has become stronger and stronger every day, and everything just seems brighter.  Most important, I've been able to connect with my family better than before, and enjoy every moment I get to be with them.  They are such a gift to me - and I want to give them the best I can.

Boo wrote me a couple of weeks ago, "It's hard to serve porn and serve those you care about. One of them will invariably be neglected. You choose which one."  It was probably the most profound and simple statement I've come across in this forum.  Every day, I'm choosing who I serve - my family - and every time I do, I feel so much better.

Thank you, everyone, for engaging with me as we all go through this together.  For those of you ahead of me, congratulations on making so much progress - I'm inspired by you.  For those of you behind me, it will get brighter and brighter the farther you get.  I promise.
 

carlson

Member
Who can ask for anything more than a moving congratulations banner from the heroic rebooter, Chip.  Thank you sir, it brought a smile to my face and a little lift to my step. 

Coming up on 90 in a few days.  My goal from the beginning was for 100, so I will probably stay on this thread until then.  PMO/MO free still - and thoughts are far and few between.  The scanning is finally under a strong control.  Mood swings continue to be a problem, however.  After 15 days of relative calm, positive thinking, and stability, I found myself going down again at day 85.  My mind circled around thoughts of self-hatred, dwelling on all the harm of this wretched industry and how I turned away from my own values and care about the world - how my ability to empathize with others was compromised by the chemical abuse, and so on and so on.  I found myself weeping and berating myself relentlessly while bicycling to work - and wondering if I could ever be forgiven.

Actually, I needed to start by forgiving myself - I needed to stop attacking myself, and I needed to get myself back to a calm mindfulness.  The thought pattern was compulsive, I kept coming back to it no matter what I did.  Then something that my wife pointed out suddenly made complete sense.  There is quite a bit of research in the last several years that seems to suggest that dopamine surges when anyone has extremely negative emotions.  Look up "dopamine negative emotion" on Google and you will find any number of studies on the subject.  If I am addicted to Dopamine, wouldn't a drop to negative emotions and negative self-talk be another way to get a hit?

I think this might be a kind of  secondary addiction - one of shame, depression, and self-punishment. It has to stop.  There is nothing productive to be found in this sort of thinking - it only hurts myself and all the people around me as I go into a selfish, dark place.  There may be unavoidable mood swings from the withdrawal - but I have to figure out how not to help it along.

Chip quoted from Corinthians in a recent post:

"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.  Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry."

God wants us to escape.  Even sinners.  I found this to be particularly encouraging - as I am working hard to forgive myself and move on to becoming a better gentleman.  My wife, as always, has been crucial to my gaining some kind of understanding about this.  Despite all I have put her through in addiction and recovery, she continues to think about me, continues to try to help, continues to pay close attention to what is going on.  I'm praying now for the strength to become the man she deserves - to gain her level of empathy, caring, and passion for others.  I owe her everything.  I love her so much.  There's an old phrase that I remember from reading the Canterbury Tales in college: "amor vincit omnia" or "love conquers all".  I believe it to be true, and I have seen proof of it every day in my wife's empathy and care.

Today I've pulled out from the mood drop and am back on target.  PMO still very much in the rear view mirror - and will fall farther and farther behind with each passing day.  I will solve for the "mood swing" aftermath no matter what - and with the help of friends and family, I know I will become the man I always should have been.  I am overwhelmed by the people who have given me such compassion.  I am blessed by their love.

Thank you again, Chip, for your enthusiasm and wisdom.  Stay on target.
 

carlson

Member
It's hard to believe, but I passed 90 days this week - next week  I will pass my original goal of 100. From there - it is the rest of my life with gratitude and excitement.

Thank you, Chip, for your count down banner! It feels good to be here, and in the last few days, I've felt more whole than ever.  There's anxiety, regret, shame, sadness, but also joy, excitement, and even goofiness - but the chemical dullness, panic feelings and mental darkness of porn is slipping behind me every day.  The farther I get from it, the more light I feel and more dark the past seems.  There's a lot of hard things I still have to face, but I feel more capable of facing them every day.  It takes a lot of work, mental discipline, and ability to handle discomfort, but I am better able to do it without dropping into pity or avoidance than ever before.  There are old habits of personality and thinking mistakes from the past that still linger on - but every time I discover them, I am putting my efforts into changing them.  I am working on becoming the man I always wanted to be.

My wife commented on something I did recently, saying, "That's the guy I used to know."  Part of me came back!  I wanted to cry and hug her at the same time.

I am able to accept and give love like never before.  I suspect that this will continue to grow as time goes on. When my wife walks into the room it feels like electricity.  When I hold her in my arms, it is an explosion of love.  When we kiss, it's magic.  When she smiles, the entire world lights up.  For the first 100 days, we agreed that there would be no orgasms for me, which we have stayed true to- and instead have focused on making love and being physical in ways that I never imagined possible.  She has enjoyed it more than our sex life before - and I have certainly enjoyed it more.  It is all wonderful - so wonderful.

But it's not just sensual love with my wife - it's also the kind of love that overflows for her and everyone that matters.  I care so much more about her, my daughter and everyone else I know, and am truly excited about whatever parts of their lives that they share with me.  I'm listening so much - and looking forward to listening even more.  I really like hugging friends and family.

This thing took away so much of my life - it made me unhappy, frightened, and alone.  It darkened my mind.  It changed my personality.  It kept me from living my life and truly being a part of my family's life.  It made my family profoundly unhappy. It kept me from engaging fully with them. It expanded my problems and diminished my success.  And now, despite my regret over missing out on so much in the past, thanks to this reboot I am blessed to begin getting back every thing in the future that matters.

Pornography is a blight on and a threat to our species.  It destroys lives and diminishing potential for anyone that touches it (and there seems to be a lot of people who do).  It threatens our civilization, our society, our culture, and our families in a way that few other things can.  I encourage anyone who reads this to make sure you are doing everything to step out of the darkness. 

The farther away you get, the more free you are from it's violent, pernicious, destructive power.  Put everything you've got into it - everything.  You are fighting for your life - and for your soul.  No one deserves to have their life hijacked by porn.  Everyone deserves to be free.  Go get your freedom.
 
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