Another Try!

    I just joined this thing and i identify with most of what i've read. By now i have e.d. even with porn. Nothing turns me on anymore. I still force it every night cos im addicted to it. Not because i'm horny. I understand the frontal lobe thing. I have less distance between thinking and doing and it frightens me. It happens all the time with every woman i find attractive. I feel like im on the edge of losing control all the time. And somrtimes i do. On the other hand I sometimes lack what ever it takes to engage or respond to proper situations im interested in. It's like my act is all over the place it's not syncronised with reality. It gets much better when i manage to stop the porn eeven for just a couple of weeks! But thats so rare i even forget what its like! And i'm affraid of stopping cos i think that if i add trus libido to the equation i'll be getting really persistant with the ladies. Too much!! Also the total abstinence thing is scary as when ever i try it i feel psycotic! I feel better physicaly but the horniness and the fantasies and the tension and anxiety near any woman are unberable. Its extremely painfull. I have used today. Didn't feel like it. Just forced it. Could't get hard, took a long time even watching my favourite clips... Had no libido or sex drive but still needed my drug....
 
  I just got myself a counter! I'm going for 90 days as i've never managed to stay p free that long. I once managed +-80 daysrt no pmo (went nuts, was getting attracted to puberty girls!!! and femenine guys!!! and everything that moved!) and twice also 80 days just masturbating with no porn (and that felt ok,difficult but i felt sane. well saner). The no pmo was 15 years ago, the first no porn was 3 years ago and the second was last automn. The thing that worries me is that as soon as stop porn, i get a girlfriend i dont really want like married women... And then the only way to break up is by relapsing to porn so i dont need them anymore and i can let go of them. But then i? trapped in porn again... If i go for no pmo i wont get no relationship or sex cos women feel attracted (or so it seems) but flee very quickly as they realise i'm nuts. If i dont orgasm i feel soooooo tense around any woman that they just literally turn their backs and walk of bewildered. Actually with all girlfriends i've had, they refuse sex if i haven't orgasmed in the previous days as theysay i'm too needy and it turns them off. They get really interested in sex if i've orgasmed hours before. When i investigate it i learn that tension extreme desire and horniness turns them off. But when i'm relaxed, playfull etc they're interested. I can only get relaxed and playfull if i've orgasmed with no porn. Both pmo and no pmo make me weird in extreme oposites. Anyway withdrawal is right in front of me i just the courage to jump in and start. Embrace the pain! It gets better.
 
    Bloody hell! I just saw that picture of that guy half strong half skinny and thats me, the skinny one. My arms and hands are particularly skinny. And they get numb at night when i pmo. They feel dead. And sometimes they hurt a lot in the bones of upper arms when i pmo. Not just the right arm but both. I also get chest pain like in the heart because i make such a physical effort just to get an erection even with porn... I'm a bit emabarassed of my arms. I'm 40 and look like im 13!!! Like i didn't develop any further! It's weird. I'm 40 im 5'9'' and 130Lbs since i was teen! Havent changed! But thats not why i'm here. I'm here because i want to stop using porn. And i want to stop using porn because it boicots my life and relationships. And because it makes me feel depressed anxious unfocused angry hostile to women inferior to healthy men ashamed with kids and makes me lose many oportunities with women i want. I stop for a few days and start courting some girl i like then i relapse and ignore her and feel like a freak!! I feel like beating my self up on her behalf!! They look at me like whats wrong with you ran out of batteries?? And i did, i burned them out the night before! And i hate myself for it specialy if it's a really sexy woman. But still i can't stop pmo! I've tryed countless times and methods!! Unlike many other members who never considered quiting before and then arrive here and see the light, i've been aware i'm walking through life with a ball and chain of tons for many years but still cant stop. Porn is a drug. It's not sex.
 
  Almost 24 hours no porn. Well actually i didnt edge yesterday. I used much less than i usually do so i? like 48 hours without edging and thats probably why i feel nacked. I dont remember feeling so exausted! Mate am i tired... I felt like this all day long. By lunch time i was so sleepy i was affraid i'd fall as i was dizzy. I hope i dont get withdrawal anger tomorrow at work. I'm not going to use today. Ah how tired can i get? Unbelivable! Going to sleep no until tomorrow
 
      Good morning! I still feel tired. I slept a lot, deep sleep too, but i'm still very tired specially considering its half 10 am over here. I had morning wood and i dreamed about my first adult girlfriend, the one i mentioned in 55's post. It was great. She was wearing a bikini and we hugged and it was great! I was in a room that had a little pool with a metal tap in the middle and i was worried that the tap kept loosing a lot of water and flooding everything and i was complaining about it. And then i turned around and she smiled and we hugged.
 

sonofJack

Member
Hey Mal. Dropping this habit (addiction, or whatever you want to call it) is difficult. Read the information on this site regarding the science behind pornography obsession; read the postings on here, and most of all, keep telling your story (and reading it back). This is not some compulsion that has taken us overnight, but rather a vice that we've allowed to flourish for a lifetime. Don't expect it to be gone quickly, or easily.

As a matter of fact it can be difficult, and frustrating hard work, but the end result is so very very worth it.
 
Hi relapsed last night. Dont feel anything about it as thats what i expected. Dont really belive i can recover. I've been trying for too long! But hey, this is a new day and im not pmo today! Actually i'll try to stay away from flirting at work too and keep all sexual procupations at bay today. I'll have a day off. Today i'm not sexual. Ah sounds like a dream. Unfortunatly i'll go to work soon and as soon as i step out the house all those people out there will be there to mirror my shame, my lust, my disgust, my oddity. I can't do anything about that, but i can definitly stay off pmo just now and ill try when come back from work. NO PMO today.
 
  Hey sonof thanks for reply and honest encouragment! Yep i allowed it in my life. I thought it wasn't bad. And many years after, when i realised it was bad, i couldn't stop. And that was many years ago. I've been trying to stop for at least 11(eleven) years... Maybe this kind of support will make a difference. Cheers
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Try not to beat yourself up with shame and guilt! Easier said than done I know but the guilt or shame will want assuaging and porn is often the way we choose. It's a cycle but cycles only exist to be broken. So break it again, you can do it!

Remember the GOOD news, our brains are full of plasticity. Where we've spent decades wiring them to fire out sexual gratification from porn, while all other 'highs' have lost their allure because of the novelty that is endless porn on demand, it will take a while to 'rewire' the mental circuits. So what if you regress? Forgive yourself, be nice to yourself. In fact, if you are anything like me, your porn was a place of retreat when you were hurting. It might also associate with you trying to recover feelings of power when you had been disempowered, by people or events beyond your control.

Remember, it's NOW that counts! Pre-porn is always possible! Healing is a PROCESS not something as INSTANT as the porn itself.
 
    Hi! Thanks for reply it's very helpfull. yes i've used to cover feelings. I try to tell myself that it's only to deal with desire but i guess it isn't. It's also to deal with frustration. There's lots of women at work. I find a few very attractive. Nothing ever happened except for flirting or a stolen kiss. I sometimes show interest (cant hide, too obvious), but then a porn binge comes and i cant even look at them. Of course they know two main things about me: 1 i like them very much, 2 im a freak. But yaeh i use porn to deal with the frustration of not having them. I mean if i dont use pmo i want them much more, and the pain of coming home empty handed from work is greater, i think. And then i really start to mess with them and then comes the fear of getting in trouble at work. And porn sorts all this. My desire for real women becomes more manageable. I think. I'm not sure cos i really havent experienced much os life without porn. Havent pmo today and i'll see if i keep it that way Thank you all!! Oh yeah theres one thing i think i must let out. Its that gay stuff. A few months ago that voice that tells me im a freak and a loser and so on started telling me im gay... I dont watch gay porn YET as it doesnt do anything for me YET. But this voice kept sugesting this and i was terrified. It made me real anxious. thanks
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Glad I could be of some help here. I can see your reasons behind using the porn. You mention frustration and that I would say is one common to us all. Hang on in there....
With regards to the Gay fantasy side, I would not be too concerned. My view is based on the fact that I doubt if I have ever been totally straight anyway and the endless novelty of porn just offers me images that I could select at will.

Some people are of course different but this  is not really something I think that should bother you. The main part of your sexual desire is for women. That is clear enough. However Kinsey found that rarely is our sexuality shall we say 'fish or foul.' We may also unconsciously be trying to increase our own sense of masculinity by considering gay images. This would be perfectly natural if things have happened in our lives to deny that masculinity.
 

sonofJack

Member
Your anxiety is understandable Mal. For all the transparency on here, it can still be a struggle to open up about some things. There is always that background fear of being ostracized by the group, or that a strong supporter on here could be turned away by your self revelation.

DFA makes some great points about what could cause you to question your sexuality. If I could just add that I feel such self audits are more common than not, but rarely get a mention; it could be from fear of shame, or from some deep set apprehension that to make such a revelation could open the floodgates so to speak, "turning you gay." From all I've read, that last point has no merit.

We are what we are. As DFA points out, many believe that our sexual orientation lays somewhere on a scale (it would be great if we knew our "number"), and I have come to believe that is something that is in our genes. It is interesting to me how younger generations seem less caught up in the degrees of their sexuality, while we dinosaurs still hold to "you're with us, or you're against us."

As my daughter says "who someone sleeps with is the least interesting thing about them."
 
        Hey! thanks for replies. Just came from work and on my way home i saw this very attractive woman i know through the bus window. She really revs me up! And there i instantly had a craving for porn. I imediatly thought of 2 or 3 actresses who have her body type and felt a lot like getting home and do it. But i didn't. Everytime i think of her, i feel like watching pmo. Yeah there is the fear of being ostracized. Going to read other peoples posts/journals thanks.
 
        Good morning! Well not so good i feel like i have a hangover it's 2days and 5 hours no pmo according to the counter. Ifeel really rusty and anti social. I cant belive ill have to go to work and deal with cutomers.... Hope all goes well... Im worried because i woke up feeling like using heroin which i havent used in 15 years or so. I found my self fantsising of old neighbourhoods looking them up in google maps and actually felt like going back in time. Damn im feeling it right now!! Is there a connection between endorphins and porn? Why am i craving opiates after 15 years????? Why am i thinking of it as something desirebla when i know it was bad and when i was there all i wanted was out! Well i remember i got addicted to it when i lost THAT girlfriend i wrote about. And lost all interest in sex and women when on heroin. I could have sex and it was actually great when i did, but i just didnt desire to initiate it. I think that was my first time out of pmo. Weel out of everithing really. Any way 2 days no pmo feel like shit but happy im on a better track now. thank you
 
        And i relapsed again! I Tryed to do it with no porn but the ed was there. i really needed to change my mood. I was feeling really asocial. I dont even know, but others do. I went to my brothers house and they just knew i was cold as ice. they looked really disapointed like " wheres our friend? Whats wrong with you? And they were right i just didnt want to talk to anyone was just feeling angry and frustrated and scared because its only 2 days and i was feeling so bad already! Also at work i had major moos swings one minute i was obsessed with the attractiveness of a customer and wondering how to let her know i wanted her the next minute i was antisocial and rejectfull. Well since i started posting here ive doing it less and i dont edge for hours i just do it as quickly and as few times as i can. Hope its real improvement not just me rationalising. thanks
 
Hey maledictis,

I've been following your journal, but haven't really known what to say to best help or encourage you. So, maybe I'll start with a question. Could there be other issues in your life that makes giving up PMO really difficult?

Rather than coming out and asking if you've ever seen a psychologist, I'll admit that I have. I'll write more about that and my background in my journal. But I think that for me, speaking to a psychologist over the course of the first 2 years at university helped me to fix other issues in my life that has helped me in my fight against PMO.

Hang in there!
NC
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
I've seen numerous counsellors and psychologists since I was in my late teens! I would agree that they helped me sort out many issues, while not specifically porn related, they clearly had a bearing on porn use.

In the end I consider PMO as a sort of 'self medication' to deal with other issues such as low self esteem, poor self image, negative self talk, issues around masculinity, childhood issues, issues of bullying and so the list goes on! It's almost as if PMO is a symptom, not a cause.
 
            Hi. Yep that list is me. I've never seen a psychiatrist/chologist. Maybe i should see one. I dont know. It gets much better if i stop the porn. But its so damn hard to stop! I know i can do today without it. See u later thanks. U've been very supportive
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
For what it's worth I would recommend seeing a decent counsellor. Not that you have to of course but it will help tease out the issues external to your use. Another good thing is that even talking with others on here helps lift any sense of guilt or shame.

Shame is a very dangerous emotion. I hate it when the Church or some religious people invoke this for compliance. It's like being at school, missing a penalty and the teacher saying 'you let the team down today.' Shame will erode your sense of self-worth, something already possibly quite low when we all PMO. Then it will lead to guilt and then we are back on the good old tread mill trying assuage the guilt and shame with more of the old PMO! So I never buy into it...Not even when some try and invoke it through their idea of God. It's a sickness others seek to infect you with to either get your compliance or make themselves feel powerful.

It's hard doing the old cold turkey here! I've tried and failed,tried and failed, until the pattern was so common I could have made it into a wall paper design! One of those repeating ones that just draws the eye round and round. What I will say though is it's easier to stop when you really read the part that is hurting in you, the part that is DRIVING you to 'chase the dragon' or shuffle the knuckle.
As I've said before, sadly I let myself become trapped in a relationship with a highly abusive Ex Wife. It hardly surprises me that my PMOS were to do with me being pained and abused. Now that won't totally relate to her, other stuff made me prone to that anyway, but once I'd seen objectively though this FANTASTIC counsellor (could not afford them now of course) that I was working out my anger at my wife's abuse through this stuff, it was easier to just control it, get a handle on it...

In fact, at the end of our relationship I found myself screaming things at her that I had never screamed before! Suddenly she finally got the brunt of all my anger stored up against her over eighteen years. The look in her eyes showed she got the point and it showed her the damage she had done to another human being. Sure I was not innocent, it takes two married hands to clap (only one to M in PMO though) Yet, I will honestly say that since getting engaged now nearly three years ago, the absence of that frustrated anger, has been a reason for me hardly to PMO. My wonderful partner knows I PMO and would not stop me but actually because I don't feel somehow 'forced to stop' but another, I honestly hardly bother at all these days. Before it was as if the Wife were holding me responsible, somehow accountable to her and porn was a child like way of giving her the two fingers!

In a odd sort of way porn does appeal to that inner child. Remember being a kid and throwing your toys out of the pram, screaming, shouting, stamping your feet for simple attention, well in a way PMO is doing all those things in an adult persona. I guess you coined just as easily go and shout at cars on the Motorway and wait for the police but no fun when it's cold, wye and miserable!

Stick with it my main man and always feel free to pass me on any tips. Now I'm off to listen to Mr IVOR BIGUN and the Winker Song...I think that's how YOUTUBE spell it anyway!


 
          Hey it's 2 days again ill try to make it to 3. No temptations so far. Well yesterday it was close. Yesterday i tryed mo could get hard(not very) but couldnt cum. I thought of porn to finish the job, but i thought i'd just be feeding the cycle and making sure i'd go on needing and depending on it to cum or even to get erection. So i didnt. So i m but no p no o. But hey last week i couldnt even get hard without porn! So yeah i can do it again today! But of course i havent been to work today and havent been through the parade of women i desire yet and thats a major trigger to watch porn after work. Thanks again.
 
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