Saving my relationship

Vincent

Active Member
Hello People,
as my subject already said it, i want to save my relationship. I suffer from (porn induced) ED and since neither I nor the Doc do know wether it is because of porn I just want to take the step. I have to rewire my brain, because I can't even get a hard-on anymore while watching porn, let alone during sex. I failed so many times and my Girlfriend, whom I am togehter with for 6 1/2 years really is getting frustrated. It all started when I made some mistakes and got too stressed out. Stress can also cause ED and this is what happened. My girlfriend was really supportive and i came around it. But deep inside me I still had the fear of failing and getting limp. When my girlfriend and I couldn't do it raw anymore condoms became the problem. As soon as I saw wone he got limp. this situation has now gone on for about a year. And now we could do it raw again. However i failed again pushing me even farther away from her. It was only recently that I realized what caused all this. During the whole above mentioned time I used more and more time on Porn distancing me from my girlfriend. She didn't want to have sex often and I used this as an excuse to masturbate. And since masturbation worked better with porn - i think my first porn manga was at the age of 6 - I masturbated to porn at least twice a day.

I want to stop this cycle. Therefore I have two approaches:

1. no porn anymore, Orgasms and sex only with my girlfriend so no masturbation = no PM(O)

2. strict workout routine, this journal plus another on another site, healthier food and a suggestion of my doc with L-Arginine and Maca -> although this makes me really horny..... :-[ -> but i can use it to my advantage in channelling it towards sexuals desire with my girl.

I Already stopped Porn for 1 1/2 Week, then failed and now am at one week again. However I used to masturbate still. And this is my try now to stop it and get the shit back in line.

I firmly believe that too much masturbation is not our natural way of relieving stress (sex could however) and that I need to stop this while I can.

In order to save my sexuality, rewire my brain and to save my relationship with the woman I love and that always is by my side I will quit porn and masturbation now.

And I will keep a daily update in this journal.

Thank you for all the effort with the page and for any further support in advance. I hope for my part that I can help someone with my story to  - how to be a man again.


Vince

 

fnatk

Active Member
Hey Vincent! You're not alone in suffering from PIED, a lot us here have the same problem and I think there's enough accounts out there of guys rebooting and getting their erections back to 100% that its most likely porn that's caused it for you as well. I had the same problems with condoms, would even avoid one-night stands because I knew that condoms "made me limp", which is ofc silly because with my first GF it worked fine, but that was when I was young and hadn't spent years of watching more and more porn.

But that's good news for you and me, we can fix this by rebooting and then staying away from P&M! Rewiring is the key to becoming the man you want to be and you've taken the biggest step which is realizing you have a problem. Relapsing is normal as well, as you've already experienced it once now, but hopefully that will be the last one!

http://yourbrainonporn.com/rebooting-advice-observations

This page has lots of great advice on how to deal with the reboot, check it out :)
 

jnv

Well-Known Member
hello there.

Welcome and good luck for your journey. My advice you be the same, get documented as much as possible. It's the best thing you can you if you want to know the ins and outs of how the whole PMO works.
 

Vincent

Active Member
Hi there guys. many thanks for the encouraging words. I am sure that this will change my life and relationship.
As for the update: yesterday i didn't or better couldn't write in here because I was working all day - which of course helped me from abstaining. I think i Realized it now in my mind -> Porn makes me feel miserable when I watch it because it is the only thing I can get a hardon with. After putting porn blockers on my firefox and g-search I now don't have the chance to watch porn when push comes to shove but since I installed this stuff i can circumvent it. Therefore it is a mindgame or better : mindbattle. I had the cance to watch porn yesterday on another PC. My Girlfriend was out and I took the laptop to the bed. But I did not do it. it wasn't even difficult. Ok i was a little drunk and tired as hell after the boring football match yesterday but hey! i succeeded!
As for now it is 10 Days without pornvids and 3 days without MO -> although the Maca root is making it hard to deal with. Guys really. This stuff gives a lot of energy and power and makes you feel really good but also makes you crazy horny. However it is giving my my "aggressiveness" back. I do not mean an aggressiveness like wanting to punch somebody but mor like sexual aggressiveness. I feel so virile and I think my girlfriend sees that spark in me too, again.  But for the main goal -> No porn; day 10, success!
 

Vincent

Active Member
Back for my daily Update,
today was working day so no time for PMO. although I am home now and horny as hell. No Porn influenced MO however!!
What is helping my very much right now are youtube Vids of guys telling their stories on PIED or Brain on Porn.
Its freaking difficult right now but thats how you go past it I think.
I hope that my daily Journal will help somebody else later as well as all you guys' stories are helping me.

 

Vincent

Active Member
I have been doing a lot of thinking the last week doing this challenge. I have to admit that I am one of those guys always questioning something, regardless the knowledge obtained - a classic non believer. It however helps me to understand something and to figure out my approach to it.

Of course I did some thinking on this challenge I am doing as well leading me to another sight on it which the following represents.

First of all: Porn is really not, what we usually should consume. But why? Ok, many sites (mybrainonporn eg.) explain the theory with Dopamine levels and an approach by showing that we get overstimulation by overusing masturbation together with porn. This is true (scientifically). On the other hand a lot of comment-reading also gave me another opinion Why we USE porn. I for myself thought it was because of many reasons. Boredom, sexual frustration, general frustration, stress relieve, habit or simply because I felt like it. But what does Masturbation compensate for? Why do we masturbate?

Ok. This is the point we have to think back a little. When the first urges arose and we took our libido in our own hands - literally. We got to know our Penis, got to know how we could receive a pleasuring sensation. (and we start with exploring sexuality between age 2 and 3 !!!!!) We became more and more experienced always focussing on something in ourselves pushing us to do it more and more often. Hell, it sometimes was even necessary...for me at least. Growing older and more attracted to women one starts to go crazy on hormone cocktail - yep testosterone - and becomes what most girls described as a "childish idiot that needs to geow up". the sad truth - for me at least - women/girls of that age usually are attracted to older "not childish" guys that had "experience" in fulfilling their desires (induced by the film-industry - little princess, prince on horse, sensitive understanding beardes muscular man...etc). A growing little man cannot fulfill those expectations -> and therefore is not interesting for those girls (bothersome at max.) -> leading to a failure. Which failure? Easy! Why did we behave like this? we wanted the girls' attention. Although "wanted" may be the wrong word. We  basically did, what our "body" told us to. Because strangly this behaviour is a way to express sexual frustration. I have to get off but jacking off does not do the trick. I need a partner. Ok. Of course there is more to this story like cultural induced follow ups, pressure to "have a partner" or to "have sex" in order to rank higher in social status. Also curiosity, excitement and interest in the opposite sex - because wa already exprlored our own.

However: what happens after the failure? How cane one release the pressure, frustration and stress (all sexually induced this time)? Masturbation!!! And perhaps with some help because only doing it because of doing it became boring. We think of the girl (or boy because this applys any way round) we wanted to conquer during hand party, what we would do to her etc. Later on.. and especially now (facebook etc) we jack off to pictures - feels closer to the person. Anyway. These crushes on girls shift. They shift as our taste of women (yes and again this is any way round) shifts. Blonde, redhead, dark skin, blue eyes, green eyes, short, tall, voice, style etc. Usually A boy first needs to make sure what he likes by trying out everything. And since one cannot (ok, some can) do this in real life, we do it in our minds. Fantasy takes over. At this point it all is perfectly normal. We satisfy ourselfs with sole reason of relieving sexual frustrations because we are attracted to a girl or woman (ohhh remember the teachers... ;D) we couldn't reach. And rememer the rewarding sex (after the first few tryouts - because you think it is easy....) after finally being able to channel this sexual frustration into courage to asking a girl out?

This, however, does not work for everyone...sadly. Some guys are left out in a pretty darvinistic way. It actually is selection in a very raw form. But now being together in very large groups (cities, nations, clubs) we ar not actually subjected to this selection anymore, unless we want it or do nothing against it (there is basically a guy for every girl and the other way round so it is wrong to make "Luck", "Destiny" or even "God" responsible for this.) But even if the selection was still as strong as 40.000 years ago: Why the hell do we like Porn so much when we could have sex? easy question, easy answer!

Masturbation is a process we incorporated. We simply know best how to make ourselfs come fast. Porn helps this process as the research mentioned with Dopamin rewards and sexual stimuli etc. But when this overtakes, jacking off without porn becomes a very boring agenda....to put it simple: it is easier to watch a clip and "choke the bloke" than approaching a potential sexpartner. And nowadays we like life the easy way.

Ok, now I will make a point to this sermon of mine:

most of the challenges on the web focus on "not PMO". I asked: Why?. My Answers for myself:

Porn:
bad for me because it gives me unrealistic expectations on how sex should be
bad for me because I need it to get a hardon
bad for me because I have to use more of it everytime I do not feel satisfied with the result
Bad for me because I feel bad after MO to Porn.
bad for me because I am a spectator of sex instead of a participant -> vouyerism takes over sexlife
bad for me because I do not masturbate in order to feel good but only to reach the cannon shot
bad for me because it consumes a lot of time better used for other stuff
bad for me because I researched the conditions pornstars work in and I do not approve of this -> watching fuels the Industry
bad for me because when i have sex I try to copy what I saw instead of having actual sex
bad for me because I probably never knew what real sex is like
bad for me because I feel caged
bad for me because it became my point of reference to sex whatsoever -> when I masturbate fantasizing about my girlfriend or another girl I am in "viewer" perspective... and not POV.. I am a spectator in my own show
bad for me because I thought it to be normal for everybody.

Masturbation:
It actually is NOT bad for me. It is only then bad for me it I proceed with masturbation like I did mith PM. The rough, fast, orgasm-seeking strokes that had to become more and more intensive to make me reach Orgasm are the problem. I practically hurt my dick, tortured it only to climax several times a day. This had nothing to do with selfplesuring. this was solely a fast shot without aim. If sex is "making love" then selfsex should be making "love to yourself". I was so focussed on orgasms that after a while i had already ED without realizing it. I practically choked my dick at its root to keep the blood inside. I was not aroused no..My Brain on Porn just wanted to jack off. There was no reason to it. It was a habit induced by boredom and completly unrelated to libido of sexuality. And at this point All the orientation shifted. When we detatch masturbation from its purpose +++sexual pleasure and relieve of sexual frustration or libido++++ it becomes like drinking a coffee. There we are with the addiction. I personally drink coffee because I like it. But I do drink it in the morning, during lunch, in the evening regardless of the occasion. Its not about ?coffeine or wake up sensations or digestion support (espresso). It is about just doing something I like detatched from its purpose. And I did the same with masturbation. I forgot about how it should feel to masturbate. It only made sense if I had an orgasm. Also sex had only sense if I had an orgasm. And  therefore it went limp when I didn't feel the reaching of it. I basically lost interest in the way to the climax. I just wanted to have the climax as fast as possible. Again -> addict.

What a fundamentally wrong assumption I had!!

Even so, i made up my mind. Why not go back to the little boy that enjoyed pleasuring himself solely because it felt good? why not rebooting the sensation? Do I really have to stop MO If I wanted to save my sex life? I know many guys (and girls) here have their goal set on no PMO. I respect that and I do NOT want to influence anybody here. i wrote down this stuff in order to bring it to a point for myself.

I asked myself: am I good at sex? and honestly I have to say: No. The problem is not, that I am a bad fucker but why I fuck. I do it because I want to climax or because I want my girl to climax. I don't do it because I enjoy the actual act of having sex. It is the same with masturbation overuse. I became insensitive. I taugth my dick to only react to very intense stimulaton. So of course the stimulation done with my hands was way stronger than any vagina or mouth could be. And therefore I felt nearly nothing. I once had a conversation with a woman that had a crush on me. I already was together with my girl for 5 years then. She asked me wether I liked sex. And I was a little drunk and answered honestly: No, not really. She then said, it was my girlfriends fault and that she could show me how real woman fuck. But I already knew the answer then. It was NOBODY ELSES fault but mine. I refudes to that offer and left. How sad I now thing. Why did I forget all that until now? I already knew the answer then - drunken. I purposely destroyed my sex drive with pornography and an overuse of masturbation to porn only for a fast climax. This fast orgasm could only be reached by harder and more intensive methods of stimulation every time. And as I did to myself I did in bed. I fucked hard and fast (of course i was under the assumption that woman liked it that way. Pornchicks always moan like crazy when banged hard etc.) because I couldn't feel anything otherwise. I was or better I AM desensitized.

How to revert it? I think I have to rewire myself. I have to teach my dick and body what soft stimuli are, to enjoy light touches and to become sensitive again. One step could be no MO. But this only would heal the physical damage of my skin and nervous system. But my brain will still crave the fast and rough orgasm. It is, sadly, more difficult than I thought. I will have to teach myself what pleasure is. Again. revert to being a boy in puberty in order to know what touching myself is like. Without external stimulation, without haste, without force. I need to take all the time necessary to teach my body what caressing is. And I really hope that my girlfriend can also help me.

So I changed my mind:
Porn is banned. for good. My challenge on that doesn't change. It basically is vital! because selection is still taking action. The limp won't reproduce. I will have to change the roots of the tree.

Prnography however is only one side of the medal. the other is my understanding of sexuality and pleasure.
This has to be rewritten and reorganised.

Therefore MO is vital. But not the fast and uptight wanking on my chair in front of my pc. The slow - maybe even tantric - approach is necessary to regain sensitivity to light, soft and caressing touches of myself and my girl. I have to be able to reach an orgasm by slightest and most subtle movements and then to develope it further together with my girlfriend until I finally understand, what sex is and how real "making love" (which can also be done the rouhgh way) is done.

In order to regain sensitivity however I will limit my MO to once a week. This excludes any way of visual and auditive stimulation. Lucky for me I strangely do not think about anything when I masturbate only for myself without any stimulaton.

So, Challenge:
Porn = no
MO = once a week
Time limit = 7 weeks starting today.

Again, I did not post this to influence anyone in his or her challenge. i did this only for me in order to remember my thought (it is a really long text in the end). I did this because I do the challenge for myself and in order to get my life back on track.


 

fnatk

Active Member
Vincent said:
So, Challenge:
Porn = no
MO = once a week
Time limit = 7 weeks starting today.

Again, I did not post this to influence anyone in his or her challenge. i did this only for me in order to remember my thought (it is a really long text in the end). I did this because I do the challenge for myself and in order to get my life back on track.

That was a really long post and even if I agreed with some parts, I have to warn you... a lot of it sounds like you're justifying masturbation to yourself and that's part of your addiction! Its called no PMO for a reason... Masturbation is a part of the addiction, even without porn. You say you will only MO once a week... but I'm afraid it can lead to more MO and eventually back to porn if you find that the MO technique you're trying doesn't work. What if you have to go back to "death grip M" in order to orgasm? Then you won't be healed from the damage you have done to yourself :(

I said to myself that I will go back to MO after my 90 days are up, or 120 days possibly... but I'm beginning to change my mind. I think about the "death grip" I came to use and how I never ever want to go back to those ways. The most successful reboots seem to be when the sex you eventually go back to is vaginal (if you are straight that is). It seems crazy to stay away from MO for so long but I honestly think that its the best course if you have (Like us) evolved into the "death grip" MO technique.
 

Vincent

Active Member
I agree, fnatk - partially.

I thought a lot about why I would think like that. My main reason to write that (really long) post were many stories I read from other people. It seemed to me after a while, that the challenge is so strongly focussed on PMO that the main reason for the Problem - actually the false programming in the brain - is not regarded accordingly. On the one hand masturbation is put on the same shelf as pornography when it should be not. Masturbation itself is not the problem. The problem is "how" I masturbate and how I integrate this into my sexlife. And that is exactly why I need to change this behaviour.

I understand what you mean with the death grip and further relapse to pornography. But My personal aim is a life without pornography and control over my sexuality. Final goal might as well be no Masturbation any more because of an abundant sexlife.

Part of the reason to do this is an experiment I conducted about 2 Years ago and was reminded of by one of my diaries. I did not masturbete for 2 Month but allowed me to watch Porn. I had no Problem with that and could have gone on without problem. But It did not improve my sexlife and I behaved in bed as the on-screen performers. I was living in Pornoland  - and it was the worst time ever.

My Problem is rather the controlling of my own sexuality which has to be rewired. On the one hand this could mean that I am lying to myself, yes. On the other hand: just quitting PMO might not be enough to reboot your system. One has fundamentally programmed a method of sexual and masturbational behavior in ones brain. And by many posts I read i get the impression that the "No PMO" is becoming a substitute for the Porn addiction. Shifting addiction is one way - perhaps the fastest - to get lost of another addiction. But My goal is to be free of control mechanisms like a calendar or even the thought of relapse. So if I focus to much on No PMO, as was also mentioned by the guy qho started the NoFap Site, it becomes a center of my life. but I don not want the challenge to be the dominant factor of my routine.

Therefore the 1 week masturbation is less of a reward. It is more of a test. In those situations i have no possibility to get external stumulation. And if I do not get a hardon, i just leave it be as it is without negative thought. because it is ok and needs time to get better.
With time the once a week might become as insignificant as any such shedule should be. But I cannot force my girlfriend to lead me back to a normal sexuality. She has to endure my ED as well and it is mostly my problem to work on. Just stopping Porn MO however for me is not the solution. I need to become active and change my whole view on sexuality confronting myself with what I have become over these years.

I thank you for your honest opinion and I know that it was in my best interest. Being reminded not to lie to oneself is very important in order to overcome an addiction. So you practically have shown to be a true friend, fnatk.

Thanks.
 

fnatk

Active Member
"At some point you get healed by living your life without porn, not by just avoiding it for x amount of months."

Mart71 on this forum said that in another thread, and I think its exactly true. You worry that no PMO has become a substitute for your porn addiction, I know I certainly have spent LOADS of time on the forum this past week but its a way to cope, its something to do instead of PMO and in my opinion it helps. Coming on here reminds me why I'm doing this no PMO and makes me more determined to succeed and start living my life properly for the first time in over 10 years.

Staying away from M & O is in my opinion completely worth it if it helps speed up the process or as I believe, be a huge part of the process to rewire the brain. Some have been able to rewire with partners and that's great for them. I have no partner at the moment so my situation differs from yours of course... but if you want to get better as fast as possible so you can have intercourse with your GF again I'd still recommend staying away from PMO :)
 

Vincent

Active Member
Thanks for the honesty. I also think that it is not a matter of method but of final result. Mart71 is fundamentally right. Rewiring means to change life. And I hope this is my way to do so.
We may have different opinions on MO but our goal seems to be similar. Life without porn. So I think we can help each other with different views on the same thing.
;)
 

Vincent

Active Member
No porn for 12 days now. It is (little) progress. But it works! today I had an erection without even a stimulus. And there was no craving for any kind of PMO. I just was happy to see my little friend vital as ever. I have a feeling this is going to be great in 2 month.
 

Vincent

Active Member
today is very very difficult :(

It is my day off - or better I took a day of from the library (writing my masters' thesis) because of the nice weather. But I am horny like crazy. I just got a crazy erection just from putting on my underwear and it touching my dick.....
Since I am sitting in front of my PC all the time I really thought this would make things more difficult. But strangely I do not want to watch porn. I simply want to fuck!! or at least do some M.

To divert me i went 15 km running today and I was really really fast..... hehe, but it didnt help. after eating something I went back to hornyman... and now I am sitting in front of the PC typing to you all. But still: no urge to watch some porn. This feels rather nice and although I am horny (can't wait for my GF to come home..... ::)) it feels kinda good. It wohwver prevents me from continuing my thesis....this is bad. And then I just saw tits everywhere during jogging....
this is crazy...
but still Pornfree ;D
 

fnatk

Active Member
Staying free from porn is the main goal! I know how it is when sex seems to be the only thing on your mind, I was out yesterday with some friends at a place that had a promenade along the water, absolutely beautiful weather and girls out in the skimpiest of summer clothes... But I was with my friends, we talked, played mini-golf and then went home to watch the football game.

I'd say go meet a friend for some ice cream! Or go out for one yourself and buy a newspaper, sit down somewhere nice in the shade and enjoy!
 

Vincent

Active Member
hehe, thanks.
Yes, I did exactly that. Went for a swim and then met up with my GF to eat some icecream. This totally helped and since I was outside in public I simply had to control myself. Took a deep breath and that was it.
 

fnatk

Active Member
That's the spirit man, getting out there and actually living life! I've spent loads of time on this forum in the past weeks because its been hard to think of other things than my addiction, I have so much time on my hands that I don't know what to do now that I don't spend hours on PMO sessions :p

So I'm going to try cutting down on the time I spend at my computer, take my own advice and go outside! I've spent the last 5 mornings reading the paper and having breakfast out in the sun instead of at my computer which I used to do a lot. Same goes for my lunch, outside, reading the rest of the paper or bring a book with me :)
 

stangles

Member
I'm sorry if you have mentioned this but did you tell your girlfriend and explain the problem? I think too many guys try to hide that and honestly I feel hiding can only make the sex even harder on both of you. Most girls understand and if they don't then they probably weren't the right person anyway.
 

Vincent

Active Member
Hi Strangles,

well, I did. Kind of I would say. I told her like 4 Moth ago, that I thought porn was my problem - i couldn't get hard - and she said: Its a mental thing. You probably have something distracting you. But she didn't think, that Porn was the Problem. Since I chose to contribute here on RN I tried to explain her that I treated it like an addiction. actually I talk about it quite often. But her reaction to this often is not what I expect. She then says "mhm" and we continue talking. Since I do not want to force an opinion out of her I leave it at that state. Once we talket  - after sex - and she just said: if you think thats your problem, then do something about it. Which I now am trying to.  Of course I would like her to support me more but in the end it is my problem. If she is the Anchor pinning me down, what will I do if she's at work? I need to confront my demons. It alredy is our problem (sexlife is more than miserable for both of us 'cause nonexistant) and therefore I want to do my part. I only will try to have sex with her If I am fully convinced, that it will work. This may sound silly but it it what she demanded. And I can understand it because she also has suffered under these circumstances and she is frustrated as well. But to answer the question: Yes I told her but No ne do not treat it als dayly subject.

 

Vincent

Active Member
Day 16. I failed.
You could say I just failed a little. My counter says " ...since I last edged on P". Basically I did not do that. But I touched myself to Porn. I was at home watching a tv show and I found myself browsing for porn. Of course my Pornblocker prevent the worst but I just searched until I found something - silly enough it was a tumblr site with pictures of a certain scene i was looking for. And then my pants opened (magically....oh man what kind of shit am I writing). but no jerking off or edging....bla bla bla....

To be honest I touched myself to porn. It was my goal to not watch porn. Therefore I failed. Basta. I think thats honest enough. I didnt go further than getting aroused because I juped to my bathroom an took a cold shower. It was very difficult to stop and not to continue. The pics alone were kind of drawing me in. I really felt like under a spell or something. But there are no excuses!!

I am not really mad at myself, I just have to accept that I am not cured. And that it will be a long process.
I will focus more and find a better porn blocker. And I have to establish a better system of evading these situations.

I will keep on writing - this helps.
BTW: yesterday, so day 15. I was cycling 40 km and then paddling with a kanu for 25 km. This really kept me from event thinking about my pc. I shold do that more often.
 

Vincent

Active Member
Puh, it is really hard to get back in line. Since my fail yesterday I am, from time to time, thinking about how nice watching a porn would feel now. I keep telling me "come on just one glimpse, its not that bad, you did it yesterday as well". But Then I think about how I felt yesterday and that makes me stop. The urge to watch that shitty porn is very strong. Until now I did not really have a hard time to stay away. But now I really really understand, what this addiction is about. It is like any other one - filling a void with the easiesy and fastest way that I know. But sitting here in front of my pc facing my demons every second makes me realize that I want to make it through. I want to quit. And this shows to my that the previous 15 Days were not in vain.
 

jnv

Well-Known Member
Your previous 15 days were certainly not in vain if you simply think about how many fap sessions you've spared compared to before you started your journey, you are only improving.
Stay strong and f*ck the P!
 
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