38 - Virgin - Depressed - PIED? PLEASE HELP ME!

I wasn't there DaO, but to me it seems like maybe you read the date wrong and you seem to interpret things in quite a negative light. For example you asked the lassie out and she said something like 'Yeah, why not.' You seemed to interpret this is a flippant response, but it could more easily be assigned to humour to try and defuse the slightly embarrassing conversation. This is backed-up by the fact that you said she was blushing.

When you talk about the date itself, you put all the onus on her to make a romantic move... even though you're the one that asked her out! She was probably waiting for you to start talking about it! To me, when she accepted the date she indicated that she found you attractive in some way and wanted to get to know you more. You need to make your intentions clear I think, if you want to stop being seen as a friend.

In my experience the best way to do this, is to come clean. Get a few drinks in at the pub and say "Btw this is really awkward for me but I'm actually a virgin" or something like that. "This is why I'm sending out mixed signals because to be honest, I don't know what the hell I'm doing!" I said in my experience because this is what I did on the first official date with my girlfriend at age 24. It's daunting, but if you can see yourself in a long term relationship with this lady its worth being vulnerable, trusting her and letting fate decide the rest.

Regarding what you have in common and what you talk about, you don't need to have too much in common to engage in a free flowing conversation. I find the best relationships happen when people have shared values. So try talking about politics or news stories or the last book you read about white privilege. See if what falls out the tree is similar to your own values and you'll have made a much stronger connection that just "we work together".
 

DepressedAndOut

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and she said something like 'Yeah, why not.' You seemed to interpret this is a flippant response, but it could more easily be assigned to humour to try and defuse the slightly embarrassing conversation. This is backed-up by the fact that you said she was blushing.

I'm not sure if that's the likely explanation. Because when I asked her out and were exchanging numbers, and when I asked her if it's okay to give her phone a missed call in order to ensure that  I typed in the number correctly, she confirmed that her phone in her bag was ringing. A second or so later she corrected herself and wasn't quite sure if it was, and then asked me to dial it again to make sure. Not sure why she would bother with this if she didn't have the intention of seeing me. Plus, she could have simply backed out during our text message interaction the following day(s) when I contacting her to arrange something.

Also, she could have even said that she was too busy, as an 'excuse'. Because, before meeting for the date, she went away for 1-2 weeks on a hiking trip. (During the text message interaction, she could have said that she was busy, but she didn't. She proposed to meet up the week after she returns.)

When you talk about the date itself, you put all the onus on her to make a romantic move... even though you're the one that asked her out!

Silly, bastard me! :( I certainly will  not be repeating this mistake again. I will from now on instigate the romantic talk. (I just didn't want to do it on that occasion as it would have inevitably lead us towards 'my story' - which would have been too awkward and too early to tell. But I guess now I don't have a choice and will need to adopt a new strategy.)

The rest of your advice is something I also will be taking on board. I'll never openly label myself as a virgin early on in the date, I'll simply say I've never been in any sort of relationship. (belief me.... it's like one of those things that once it's verbally labeled to me (that I'm a 'virgin'), I would start to feel shit about it. This is because I've never actually yet told anyone that I'm a virgin, and therefore no one has ever said it to me still. If you know what I'm getting at)

Anyway, my penis (or brain) is still no better. No surprise.
 

Loving_Mary

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DepressedAndOut said:
I don't think I misread any of her signals. I don't think she saw much about me anyway.  I mean she's a higher achiever (PhD, 5 languages, works as a researcher at a prestiges University, etc.).

Me? I haven't  done much in life, hence during our 'date' we couldn't find much in common and therefore there wasn't chemistry or passion there. I didn't want to initiate any romantic talks between us as I didn't want her to think that I led her that way. (so that she doesn't think that I'm just desperate as someone who has been singal all of their lives.) So I left any romantic talk to be initiated by her - unfortunately she showed nothing whatsoever in that regard.

It kinda confuses me because, when I asked her out, she had a nice smile on her face and she was a bit blushing.

We had our date on June the 1st, and since then I haven't contacted her. I don't think I will as she's clearly not interested.

It's  fair to say that my focus on PIED is, and has always been, combined with huge anxiety and stress about whether my dick will get erect if/when I get with a woman. Maybe if I wasn't a virgin I would be more relaxed about it, but for someone who is nearly 35 and never once experienced the joy of  personal and sexual relationship, it's hard to just forget about it.

Hi I agree with you that you read well the signals. It didn't work out. No big deal.

There's tons of girls out there.

When you mentioned her masters and then started saying that you haven't done much in life, I think that frame of mind doesn't help your life or with girls.

I mean: it sounds your self talk is not very positive. You can change it man. You can focus on the positive things that you've done. You mentioned your workout, it sounds you're a good person, you are working on your self development. There's people out there that don't even acknowledge their problem.

You asked a hot smart girl out. You needed a set of balls to do that. Other guys would have just assumed she would say no.

And the best thing: if you've done it once, you can do it over and over again. I think you're on the right path man.

And obviusly MO is not good, but it happens, you know. I've relapsed recently after more than 5 months. But if you stick with a sense of frustration it's not good for your self esteem. And that's not good for your addiction eather.

Actually I'm not sure if you are still addicted to porn. I'm not saying to lower your guard, but it's been ages right.

Weather or not, doesn't matter. What it's done it's done and right now it's the right moment to be happy and recover. 

Keep it up ;)
 

DepressedAndOut

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Thanks for your words.

No, I have no urges for PMO or MO. The last time I PMOed was August 2017. And now I've been totally off MO as my last relapse replicated the effects of my last PMO relapse. (shrunk penis and less blood flow)

Anyway, tomorrow is the start of another week, the start of 'fighting' again for the next five days.
 
First of all, thank you for being brave enough to share your story with others. While searching the internet looking for information about porn addiction and PIED I found your story and let me tell you, you have absolutely no idea how similar your life has been to my own.

I don't want to hijack your thread, so I will be making my own very shortly. But I just wanted to reach out and thank you for sharing and to let you know that there are others out here in very similar situations as yourself.

Best of luck with everything man. Peace.
 

DepressedAndOut

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The past few days I've noticed that my penis has shrunk even more now! :( :( :( I didn't PMO or MO, but I did have 3-4 session were I was using a rolled up duvet as a sex doll as I was testing my erection against tactile service (which is a better way to tell how your erection would be with a woman than using your own hands!)

Anyway, even a small edging session like that has had a negative results on my recovery. What the hell is going on ??! every since I started NoFap Hardmode I've had a lot worse results than when I was PMOing!!  :'(
 
Don't give up man. It's very frustration when you're trying to recover and you not seeing the results you want. But just remember, you're still better off not seeing the results you want right now then you would being able to achieve any type of erection with PMOing. 

I've been there plenty of times during a flat-line where I just want to feel something or just want to test my erection quality but all it's ever done was lead to a relapse. Every single time.

The longest streaks I've had so far were multiple times where I've went 4 months without any PMO/MO. After that, I always ended up giving in because I either wanted to test my erections or look at pictures of things I knew I shouldn't have because I just wanted to feel something. All it is is your brain trying to trick you into getting a fix.

Each time I've failed, I noticed that the next streak's results took longer to see. The first time I went 4 months PMO/MO free, I noticed really great results and might have actually been recovered by now if I hadn't made those mistakes so many times.

Stay strong.
 

DepressedAndOut

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Thanks.

Yeah, interesting about what you say about results taking longer after each streak - that's something that I noticed.

After my first three months of hardmode, I experienced a wet dream for first time in 6-7 years. Since that streak, I relapsed couple of times to MO and since I have not experienced any signs of improvements.

Does this mean that things were made worse?

I read a lot of success stories and almost all of them mention that they've relapsed along the way but still managed to recover. So I was wondering if the sign that things take longer and longer after each streak is a reliable way of telling how far your recovery is away...??

 
I definitely think recovery becomes slower and slower after each relapse. So yeah, I really believe things are made worse after each time. As I said, I really think there's a strong possibility that I might have actual been completely recovered by now if I hadn't had so many relapses.

What you're saying is true about pretty much everyone experiences relapses. I've read that also. But at the same time, I think sometimes we use that fact as an excuse to relapse, at least I know I have.

There have been plenty of times were I would talk myself into believing that it's OK to relapse because "everyone else has too" and fooling myself to believe that I could simply get right back on track where I left off without any consequences. Not true.

The "one last time and I'm finally done" or "I'll just start fresh next month" mindset never works because all we're doing is making our brains further conditioned to porn and harder to recover. Relapses happen to most people, but I think the only real way to recovery is when you get to the point where they completely become an unacceptable option.
 

DepressedAndOut

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Feeling very, very, very low right low and quite suicidal (the highest it's been). Having relapsed to MO 3-4 during a spell of 1-2 weeks about a week ago, I decided just now to test my penis... and OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Why the fuck does my erection keeps getting worse??? Fucking why??? I mean I have not seen porn in well over a year now and I've only masturbated a relatively limited number of times. But yet... it still gets worse and worse if I break my streak after a long time.

So, basically, I'm now in a worse position than ever before, even before I discovered the truth about PIED!! How the fuck is this fair?  I'm so fucking angry right now, I don't know what to do!!!

I'm so fucking angry and angry and angry. I HATE MY FUCKING  MISERABLE EXISTENCE!!! FUCK OFF!!FCK COCO!!!  FUCKd OFFF!!!!!

I HATE  MYSELF!!! FYCK OFFF!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK MY LIFE!!!!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
 

DepressedAndOut

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IT's suck frustrating and heartbreaking spending every fucking weekend of my life fucking alone!!

So many people are enjoying life and I'm here trapped in my room in my mother's house not even able to be out of the house too late as there are no public transport available to the city from my village!!! so fucking shit!!!

I DON'T K NOW WHAT THE FUCK I'M GOING TO DO???!! I NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I HAVE NO FUKING IDEA HOW TO CHANGE MY L IFE!!!

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

DepressedAndOut

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IT'S ABSOLUTELY CHURNING FROM THE INSIDE THE THOUGHT OF POSSIBLY NEVER EXPERIENCING A FEMALE IN MY LIFE!!

There is not fuckig way back from this - the damage far outweighs the probability of recovery!!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :'( :'(
 

DepressedAndOut

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AND WHY  IS IT THAT I AM NOT ABLE TO FEEL ATTRACTION TO A NORMAL GIRL???

ALL OF THESE SYMPTOMS STARTED AFTER I QUIT PORN!! I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO PORN, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT PORN???

MAYBE IT'S THE DEPRESSION AND ITS SIDE EFFECTS - LIKE ADEHONIA.
 

DepressedAndOut

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i DONT KNOW HOW ON EARTH I'M GOING TO GET A GF WITH THIS EMOTIONAL PROBLEM THAT I HAVE INSIDE OF ME 24/7!!

IT'S HARD ENOUGH GETTING A GF AS IT IS.....  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

DepressedAndOut

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I've joined a SpeedDating website that hold events in my area. I've booked a ticket for an event for Wednesday 21st of November.

Yes, this is a move out of pure desperation! Staying like this is actually scarier than meeting lots of girls in short amount of time! (That's how my world has turned now!!)

 
I'm sorry you're struggling right now. When I saw you had posted in this thread again, I was hoping it was going to be some happy, positive news for all of us to hear.

First of all, I want you to know that as much as you rightfully feel depressed and stressed about life, suicide isn't the answer. Remember that you started this journey because you want the best that life has to offer. You want to live and be happy. Like myself, a lot things have gotten in the way of that, but if we truly want it, we have to fight for it. We weren't responsible for some of the things that have happened in our lives growing up but, the only ones that can truly change our lives for the better are ourselves. Whether you realize it or not, you have been an inspiration to me and others here. I don't know if I would've ever signed up here and started my own journey thread in-order to help change my life for the better if it wasn't for me accidentally coming across your thread and seeing so many similarities between your life and my own. 

Secondly, you need ask yourself how truly committed you are to your recovery. If you feel that you truly are, you need to stop behavior that's harming your progress. Stop masturbating. Stop "testing yourself" Period. I'm going to be completely honest with you on this. As much as you want to recover (which I know you do), there's also a part of you that is subconsciously looking for loopholes to engage in old habits just to get a hit of dopamine. I'm not saying this to you because I'm trying to be judgmental. I'm saying this to you because I've done the same exact things myself, over and over again.

There have been plenty of times when I told myself that I was committed to a new reboot yet I was still doing things that didn't completely reflect that. I'd convince myself that I was doing a reboot but I was still looking at things that would remind me of the porn Id watch just to feel something. Just to get a hit of dopamine. One day it'd start as a picture. The next day it would be more pictures. Then next thing you know I was looking a some sort of porn and then I'd simply tell myself "well I guess I just ruined my streak. I might as well just watch some porn and start fresh again on the 1st of the month". That type of behavior has led me to constantly starting new reboots and failing for years. Even though you're not seeing progress the way you want, the reality is, you are still far better off with NOT participating in any MO/PMO. All those things do is further desensitize you to real women. 

And Believe me, I know exactly what it feels like to want to test yourself. Early on when I first started having this problem, I always felt the need to test myself because I felt so low, I felt like I was less than a man. In fact, just yesterday and the day before that, I saw something that reminded me of the types of things I used to watch and I gave me a STRONG desire to watch porn again. I could've easily found myself back on the internet spending 5+ hours just looking a porn, but I didn't do it. I didn't do it because I didn't come this far to throw it all away after being just shay of competing 4 months of my reboot. As much as I want a dopamine hit, I can't stomach the idea of starting a new reboot. All it would mean is that I was never truly serious from the start.

Luckily for me though, as I was feeling on edge yesterday, I actually went to see a urologist to talk about my PIED issues which was the first time I had the courage to do so after suffering with this for 10 years. After I told him about it, he assured me that PIED is indeed a real thing and suggested that I need to make behavioral changes and also suggested that might want to look into seeing a sex therapist. This is something I'm planning on doing very soon and is something you might want to consider too if you haven't already. 

Do not give up man. Hang in there! A victory for you is a victory for me and many others here.

Best wishes with everything my friend. I'm rooting for you!
 

Loving_Mary

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DepressedAndOut said:
I've joined a SpeedDating website that hold events in my area. I've booked a ticket for an event for Wednesday 21st of November.

Yes, this is a move out of pure desperation! Staying like this is actually scarier than meeting lots of girls in short amount of time! (That's how my world has turned now!!)

I think that will be an opportunity to practice your social skills and enjoy some company.

Cheers
 
Speed dating's a good idea.  It'll force you to meet people and get you out of your comfort zone.

I've been thinking of doing the same thing.
 
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