Rebooting trough self-parenting

EarthWalker

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Just so we are clear. In my view external P needs to be quit cold turkey. There is no bargaining to be done. No half measures either. No instagram models, etc. But for MO and Fantasy I think a gradual approach has the highest success rate.

Day 39 (soft mode).

Some P scenes are nagging me. No thank you. I guess my brain is just saying what do you want to do with this P.

17.9.2020 my last PMO. Lets make a deal. If my life will not improve after 17.9.2021. I'll go back to P. But I will not ingest external P for the period of 17.9.2020 - 17.9.2021. There is no compromise to be done here.

With MO and Fantasy. Ok. Lets muddy the water and make some deals ... for now...

Wish everyone a good day
EW
 

EarthWalker

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Day 40.

Feeling quite agitated. 40 days of noP. According to a YT video, after day 40 the brain will start to change the addiction machinery for the better i.e. start to decommission it.

I MO'ed yesterday. It was half-way between fetish and vanilla. So I guess that is good. Fantasizing about girls I only saw on the screen is starting to be replaced with girls I only saw in real life. And fetish stuff is slowly getting changed to a bit more vanilla stuff. I don't want to push my luck by forcing the process to speed up. I am reserving all my willpower to make sure I don't watch any P.

Wish everyone a good day
EW
 

SebUK

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EarthWalker said:
Day 40.

Feeling quite agitated. 40 days of noP. According to a YT video, after day 40 the brain will start to change the addiction machinery for the better i.e. start to decommission it.

I MO'ed yesterday. It was half-way between fetish and vanilla. So I guess that is good. Fantasizing about girls I only saw on the screen is starting to be replaced with girls I only saw in real life. And fetish stuff is slowly getting changed to a bit more vanilla stuff. I don't want to push my luck by forcing the process to speed up. I am reserving all my willpower to make sure I don't watch any P.

Wish everyone a good day
EW
Good stuff! 40 days is a long time. But 400 days is better :D Keep it up.

I'm noticing the same changes in terms of what I'm thinking about. After about 4 weeks I rarely think about porn images, they seem to occupy a different part of my brain to my 'normal' sexual desires.

Just be careful of the chaser period if you're MOing!
 

EarthWalker

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Day 41.

Occasional soft P from the mainstream is having less of an effect. I am having easier time now seeing women on the screen as persons with a life and not some arousal object I get to fap to.

Case in point. Browsing some jokes/funny memes there was this scene of a clueless plumber and an actress that tries to make things sexual but the guy is just clueless. Not long ago this is enough for me to relapse. Not this time.

Also there is this one episode of Curb your enthusiasm where Larry David watches a P movie (no nudity shown, but it gets as graphic as possible without showing any nudity). On some level I actually get to enjoy it (as the comedy part, not the arousal part). It was actually one of the funniest episodes on Season 1. Prett ...pretty funny.

Wish everyone a good day.
EW
 
Congratulations on your 40+ days. Many more of these are waiting ahead. I would recommend reduce as much as possible, or even eliminate completely, soft P. As everyday is different, so it is our ability to tolerate and be influenced by these scenes. It has happened to me that a relapse builds up slowly with this type of material. At an early stage, it may not detectably influence us, but perhaps a seed is being placed in the brain that at some point will start growing. It has happened to me all the time, I hope you are more resilient to this. Wishing you all the best.
 

EarthWalker

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Day 42.

Thank you recovery000. You raise a good point. I am starting to think that to quit P we also need to reduce internet/media consumption. A good start would be no idle internet browsing. I think books are better than internet but one change at a time.

btw: Impressive work with the 90 day hard mode reboot. Awesome. I am very happy for you.

It is as if P addiction is rewinding backwards. Now I am getting some P scenes that I totally forgot about and are more of the early days of high speed internet. Just blown away by how much memory the brain really has.

Wish everyone a good day.
EW
 

EarthWalker

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Image is powerful, but image is also superficial.

Going beyond superficial. I think PMO has many layers. On the top is the pleasure and glamour but beneath the thin layer is nothing nice.

EW
 

EarthWalker

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Day 43.

It is going to be a rough weekend. Halloween never resonated with me. I much preferred when in Europe we didn't celebrate Halloween. Why would you want to traumatize yourself with scary stuff? Dress up? We are already dressed up as fake people why be even more fake? And the pumpkin stuff. WTF?

Theatre of the absurd planet Earth.

I read somewhere that halloween is one of the most important holidays for satanist/black magic people. They do all sorts of messed up stuff with pedophilia and "sacrifices". I imagine this together with the election and plandemic making for a very relapse prone weekend.

But at the end of the day P addiction and fetishes are like an app installed on the phone with fetishes like in-app purchases. We hold sovereignty over what is installed on our phone. Even with all the external pressures and mind control to sway our choices.

In the morning got a particular fetish P thoughts. I ended up searching the web for that particular fetish + psychology. I found an article on a psychology website. It is just a bunch of speculation.

Got me thinking that almost anything can be made a fetish. I remember stumbling upon "seat belt" fetish a few years back. I am still taken aback by it. It is so unreal. Guys PMO to videos of girls putting seat belt over their boobs and let's not involve the airbag that is some extra arousing stuff? Really? Obviously no judgement. Maybe it is some repressed PTSD stuff? Or it could be something else. I just want to understand the principle of operation. How does this machinery work.

Gary is a great guy but he is explaining P addiction from the POV of brain enabling the consciousness. While I believe the opposite it true. Our consciousness created the brain to express itself not the other way around. We are so much more than the physical brain. This also explains life after death and near death experiences.

Looks like I will be putting my psychology toolbox to the test again. Past, present and future existing simultaneously need to use tools that also touch on past, preset and future.

What prevented a relapse this time is 17.9. I will not PMO or watch P from 17.9.2020 till 17.9.2021. If my life will not improve after 17.9.2021 then I will go ahead and PMO like crazy, I'll even top it. I'll go all out on escorts and what not. But before that. I owe it to myself to fully ass this reboot. I will give it my absolute best to reboot.

Wish everyone a relapse free weekend. This one is going to be a rough one and the next week will be no picnic either. Buckle up.

EW

edit: added: So far I like this interview with Goggins the most. Got a bit put off by the intro where the interviewer gives a rundown of how this interview involves strong language... But the interview is very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdHW1YipmVo.
 

EarthWalker

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Pretty strong urges. Just take a peek.

Is this it? Looking the addiction in the eyes and saying no thank you?

Uninstall the addiction app? On the phone is almost instant action. Remove application and done. Why can't P addiction be the same as removing an app from the phone?

I don't want to connect with some artificial reality land that P addiction created with the help of some black magic. But I sure love the pleasure of it. The pleasure is an illusion. But one pleasurable illusion.

Act as if. In terms of pleasure. Getting lost in P arousal is the most pleasurable experience I had in this life. This is very sad.

Now I need to act as if...there is something better waiting at the end of the road.

I don't feel the need to fantasize as much but the desire to watch P is suddenly just off the charts. While in oblivion phase I fantasized more than the desire to watch P.

A bit of a headache. Nice. I never have headaches. Like never.

Overall feeling pretty cold in the body. This is one shitty weekend...

On the birth certificate it doesn't say life will be easy. I don't wish for an easy life. But impossible odds don't sit well with me.

I'll go watch Rocky (1976).

EW
 
I hear your struggle man. Watching a movie is certainly better than falling into P. However, can you make a plan to do more active activities? Movies are also some sort of pleasurable illusions. Can you engage in something more down to earth? What about working out in the outdoors. If it is getting cold, just bundle yourself up and experience the reality of the cold, the air, the noise or lack of it, the smell of smoke or nature, the architecture of your town/city. Escape the illusion and engage into the reality of life. Reality is rough and not always pleasurable but it is real, it is true, and that makes it beautiful and good. Our life is too short to live in the illusion. Make a plan for the weekend to experience reality. Best wishes.
 

EarthWalker

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recovery000, thanks man. So true. I hear you.

Day 44.

A very shitty day yesterday. Headache, felt like throwing up.

I ended up peeking. The rush was more from I shouldn't be watching than from the actual content. The content isn't as arousing as it used to be and the desire to get lost in novelty isn't there either. The mind control/hypnosis factor of P is severely diminished.

I ended up MOing. It was anorgasmic. I ejaculated but no O. Whatever.

The whole quitting of P is very anti-climactic. This is it? Just don't get aroused by this stuff, don't watch it, don't get hypnotized by it? I was expecting some sense of accomplishment or something like a victory parade or something. Nothing.

MO doesn't give me the pleasure it used to give me. I am starting to look forward to 90 days hard mode. I'll start it on day 55 or 60/61. Will see.

I started waking up again at 7 AM. Ideally I'd go for a run first thing after waking up then breakfast.

Don't want to overload myself.

EW

 

EarthWalker

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I can see the appeal of addiction better now. Life sucks. It is a constant struggle. There is no margarita waiting at the beach.

What really bothers me is the bad hand. That is why I like chess and tennis. It is a fair game. There are no hidden moves. Everything is in the open. There are no secret advantages. Both players have the same environment. It is not like one player has 10 extra pieces on the board or one player has a table tennis racket and the other has the regular tennis racket. It is a fair game. What matters is the player. The environment is fair.

Life is not a fair game. Some are born to lose. I don't agree to that. But when life gives you lemons you make lemonade. If only I could get behind those words. This whole planet needs a reboot in my view.

There are people who got dealt a bad hand but they somehow made it a lesson in growth. Like Frankl. Sadly they are the exception and most just remain half a person because of the toxic environment.

What is on my mind recently is this Goggins guy saying:

I thank my mother for never picking me up.

I'll think about this quite some more.

On unrelated. This Joe Rogan podcast is gold. Very relevant to our times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTKaHKCAFg

EW
 

EarthWalker

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Day 45 (no PMO, muddied the water with peeking).

I'll keep the counter because if I messed up I will be PMOing soon enough anyway but prefer the motivational effect of seeing double digits. So being lenient with the counter is not such a big deal. PMO is.

Need to start noFap. I intend(ed) to start 90 days of nofap on day 55-61. Perhaps going straight to 90 days will be too much.

What I can do is start already with increasing the distance between 2 faps. So next one in 2 weeks. On day 59. And go from there. I'll look up some noFap resources and see what has the highest probability of success.

That movie social dilemma highly recommend it. Why the YT recommendations are weird. Simple it is because we are going to click on it.

I am seeing P as an experiment within a bigger experiment. No wonder this things are so addictive. The cards are stacked against us. There are quite literally billion dollar companies that spend a whole lot of resources in making sure our attention is glued to the screen.

P tube and YouTube aren't that different. In essence our attention is glued to the screen. They make money off advertising and each day each of us are slightly worse off.

I think I can change my mindset and look all of this as a training ground.

Wish everyone a good day
EW
 

EarthWalker

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I like Joe Rogan, tends to present a middle ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMD7K-kTKvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h2hQwK7sJw

I'll go first 2 weeks noFap. Starting today. I'll do my best to skip any MO for the next 2 weeks. Then in The system phase. I'll see how I will feel. Maybe first go 2 weeks again, then try 3 weeks 3 times, etc. Will see. Will see.

EW
 
I ended up peeking. The rush was more from I shouldn't be watching than from the actual content. The content isn't as arousing as it used to be and the desire to get lost in novelty isn't there either. The mind control/hypnosis factor of P is severely diminished

I remember early(ish) on in my recovery, I installed a P blocker onto my laptop, and for the most part it worked really well. However, its installation has unforeseen consequences: Whenever I had moments of weakness or significant P cravings, I began what can only be described as a frenzied search to find content that wasn't blocked. These furious searches could last quite a while (30-60mins) and I was definitely getting more of a rush from the excitement caused by the potentiality of finding a way around the blocker. I even felt like having a blocker was causing more harm to my recovery because whenever I was trying to find ways around the blocker, I became extremely excited and focussed on P. But if I didn't have the blocker installed, I would have been able to go straight to P without any huge build-up of excitement or anticipation. Suffice it to say when I did find P I just wasn't that 'into' it as I was prior to learning about my PA.


I ended up MOing. It was anorgasmic. I ejaculated but no O. Whatever.

The whole quitting of P is very anti-climactic. This is it? Just don't get aroused by this stuff, don't watch it, don't get hypnotized by it? I was expecting some sense of accomplishment or something like a victory parade or something. Nothing.

MO doesn't give me the pleasure it used to give me.

I think this is very telling and something to which I can heavily relate. Ever since I learnt about my PA, PMO has never really felt the same. Before the discovery that I had a P problem, watching P and PMO'ing was normal and recreational and enjoyable; there was no reason to think it was any other. However, once you learn about your addiction, something in the relationship between you and P changes, somehow. It's difficult to put your finger on what has changed or how it has changed but you can tell something has changed. PMO doesn't give you the pleasure it once did because you are aware that it is causing you harm. Yes, PMO might still feel good but you can't enjoy it as you once did because once you PMO, your thoughts immediately turn to stopping, thoughts that never existed prior to learning about your addiction. That wonderful, blissful innocence is gone and can never return.

I suppose the relationship with P (after you learn about PA and decide to recover) is not that dissimilar to a human relationship where the other person in the relationship cheated on you or screwed you over but you have decided to remain on civil terms. You can never go back to how things once were because your brain will never forget what the other person did to you. Yes, you may decide to go back and be friends, you may even decide to rekindle a romantic relationship (if the relationship was previously like this) but the trust that was once unquestionable (in the first relationship) will never return. This stops the relationship from being as enjoyable as it used to be as your brain will never fully relax around or with this person; to use a Star Trek term, your brain will always remain on 'Yellow Alert', and you are unable to turn this off.

Post-discovery of your addiction, and once you actively begin working on sobriety, P, PM, and PMO never do feel the same as before, which is a good thing. During difficult times in my recovery or in my life in general I have often considered throwing in the towel and just going back to PMOing as I did before, particularly as I have many years' worth of lost P consumption to make-up for. However, I actually find it much harder to continue with thoughts, let alone follow through with this threat, because I know in my heart of hearts I can never go back to enjoying P to how I once did. Do I miss P? Yes, quite often I do miss P. Will I ever go back to where I once was? No, because I know that I can't.

 

EarthWalker

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Hi, happydude619. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Appreciate it.

Day 46

I feel ready for a noFap streak. I want it. First I'll do my best to go for a minimum of 2 weeks. Then will reevaluate. I'll try my 90 days nofap. What gets me each time with noFap is the sexual tension buildup. If it will be possible to mitigate it with just some sensual massage (without ejaculation/O) I'll go as far as possible. If not, then I think of aiming for maintaining a distance of 21-45 days between MOs.

Wish everyone a good week.

EW
 

SebUK

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Joe Rogan is great!

And yep I agree with Harris on the social media stuff. Twitter is the absolute worst, but they all have their bad sides. The old style forums (like this one) are not as bad, probably because they were designed pre-social media. So I tend to stick with them, and reddit a bit.

But porn + internet is like the above argument on steroids. Yeah I get a buzz from scrolling facebook, but it's miniscule compared to the porn rush.
 

EarthWalker

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Day 47

Tempted to MO but no thank you. I am just wondering is this it? Just don't engage with the thoughts? So anticlimactic. Embrace how life sucks. Can't even have P.

What am I suppose to do? Clean the toilet? Guess so.

Wow. P thoughts are such a cock tease. But fake shit. Nigerian scam. You give me your sexual energy I give you some fake pleasurable thoughts. Doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.

I am timeless...the P thoughts aren't. I imagine an old school sand clock next to P thought. Your time is running out. Mine isn't. Go f%# yourself.

EW
 

EarthWalker

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Brain fog. Haha. More like brain paralysis.

Decided to cut all sugar out of my diet. Dairy doesn't make me feel good. For some reason I like butter. But stuff like yoghurt and milk doesn't go well with my skin. While at it I am also avoiding grains. Fuck it. The whole week I'll just go with beef steaks. I finally figured a good method to cook it.

A simple non-stick pan. But the key is to use 2 different heat settings. First high heat 1 minute each side then medium heat for 3 mins on each side. The high heat step makes a whole lot of difference. It looks like the steak is burnt but it "good" burnt. It keeps the juices in. Obviously times differ with the thickness. In the morning I have an apple + some nuts. I like the simplicity of it.

Also will try to go 90 days. Any intense sexual buildup I'll try to mitigate with the sensual massage. If that is not possible a MO but ideally no sooner than 2 weeks in between. Sound like a good plan.

And F$@% P.

EW
 
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