A good time for a massive change. ED, Performance anxiety, porn, fetishes etc.

Taka

Member
I mean yeah. It is not an universal instruction manual but I am just saying what roughly worked for me. Maybe without the part with the right moment because there is never a perfect moment.You could wait for moment like that your entire life. You can do it.
 

Shaft

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Yes, I did't express myself in the exact way I wanted. There's never a perfect moment, you're right, no question about it. You can always find milllion reasons preventing yourself from making a move rather than find ones motivating you. I just need to dive into the moment.
 

Shaft

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It's good to be out of the flatline. My libido grows higher and higher, which is great. Almost anything now turns me on, which is very irritating, not to mention it's been only 3 days since I spent a night with my GF, and pain of 'blue balls' is coming back.

Have any of you guys experienced small amount of semen leakage after urinating? First time I experienced it after 2 weeks of no O, today, I noticed small amount of it again. These were the first times I experienced such thing in my entire life because since the age of 13 I used to fap on a daily. Haven't had any nocturnal emissions.

I suspect the body is just trying to get rid of the load. Yet, other articles claim that might be a sign of a serious disease and might be caused because of over masturbating. Strange. Does't sound like me at all. During the last two months I reduced my orgasming frequency to 10 times if not more.
 

dwenjang1218

Active Member
hey could it be pre-cum?
I mean when I think about sexy stuff I always get pre-cum.
Plus, back in the days, I had something I liked to call a "post-cum"
where I would have a small leakage 30 min~ an hour after ejaculation. Everytime.
 

Shaft

Member
To VforVictory

Yeah, I get the thing you're trying to get across in here. Sometimes is only pre-cum, sometimes it's purely semen. But it happens very rarely.

My libido is coming back with the vengence. It's been rather stable up until now, but thoughts about my GF drive me crazy sometimes. If it wasn't for my will power and my goal to have great physical relationship with her, I would have MO'ed today without a doubt.

I literally feel sometimes like I'm on viagra or sth, I'm so horny I can't even focus or see things properly. But thankfully enough, meditation helps to deal with it.

Another thing- despite being so horny, I have close to zero thoughts about porn and don't have any flashbacks. It feels fantastic. Now sex is asociated in my head with one and the only person. Real life person, who I love.

I didn't have PIED, but artificial stuff had brought big turmoil in my head and had made me unbalanced. I was very close to PIED.
 

Shaft

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I'm a bit confused guys. Initially I planned to abstain from MO for 2 weeks before the day me and my GF might get intimate again. But now it's been only 5 days since the last time we spent a night together  and I'm experiencing severe pain in my lower back and my testicles. The good part is that it only stays there for 1 to 2 hours and then goes away, but when it's present, it's really bad, to a point where it's a challenge for me to walk properly. When I'm not hanging out with her it's ok. Sometimes I get horny when at home, but I calm down and don't allow that arousal to progress because I want to abstain from MO.  I get an erection (number of them actually) just by kissing her in public, holding her hand, hugging etc. Within the 5 hours or so when we together (spending time in a city, doing talking, walking and stuff) is the time when I usually experience that pain because of being constantly aroused without releasing it. Perhaps I should MO once a week with the healthy thoughts. But on the other hand I want to release it once in 2 weeks, I want to accumulate that sexual energy and release it while being with my GF. I want to have that 'beast' type of energy which abstaining from MO should give me.
 

Shaft

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I wish you all the best in this department brother. But don't be so sure man.. As I said, it's really terrible. Perhaps one week is enough. Under current circumstances, perhaps I need those 2 weeks. But that 'beast type of energy' might end up in a premature ejaculation thing, so damn it. Normal healthy dude of our age should be able to have sex with his partner on a daily and have enough drive, isn't it?

haven't decided yet. At least I'm out of the flatline.
 

jkkk

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Shaft said:
I wish you all the best in this department brother. But don't be so sure man.. As I said, it's really terrible. Perhaps one week is enough. Under current circumstances, perhaps I need those 2 weeks. But that 'beast type of energy' might end up in a premature ejaculation thing, so damn it. Normal healthy dude of our age should be able to have sex with his partner on a daily and have enough drive, isn't it?

haven't decided yet. At least I'm out of the flatline.

I've read the discussion above. I have a different issue - PE, but I think it's almost universally accepted now that PE, ED, DE - there all come from one problem and might be (who knows) stemming from the same neurochemical imbalance influenced by PMO.

I have PE and it is very bad, but I must admit after reading the above and some other journals over here that I do have ED issues as well: e.g. I always had very hard erections when watching P and erections in real life could really not match the ones from P.

What bothers me a bit now in relation to erection problems and what you wrote here...

Shaft said:
Normal healthy dude of our age should be able to have sex with his partner on a daily and have enough drive, isn't it?

...is this: is it really so? Is it true that normal, healthy guys (suppose one who never had P and MOed in very limited, healthy and non-compulsive amounts) have rock-hard, great erections, are always horny and ready to have sex, always are capable of having great sex if they want to and they come when they want and choose to?

I was thinking about it recently. Maybe the answer is simple: "yes", but what do we know about it? Many of us (it's true for me at least) have had their imaginations about how sex looks like based only on P. And the guys performing there, well, I guess what's going on with them is always natural, isn't it?

I'm not saying this to belittle the impact of reboot, I myself am a great believer and I have high hopes of it... But we should maybe not be overdemanding for ourselves in the sex department. That itself could affect us in a negative way, create guilt or shame.

Of course I am writing all the above to cheer up myself in the first place. But I wanted to share it as well with you guys and listen to what you think,

Shaft, as regards those back pains -> did you see a doctor? I acknowledge pains like that can happen in reboot, I think I experienced them myself but when you write that it is sometimes difficult to walk, that sounds serious. The thing with MOing is that generally it acts as a pain-killer but it might not fight the cause of pain.
 

Shaft

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That's hard to say though. Some men just have that PE thing, and perhaps porn use only enhances that.

I don't have PE, but I've experienced it, and know that it's a horrible feeling. Yet for me it wasn't about physical stimulation at all- the brain just forces you to ejaculate as soon as possible. And this PE is strongly connected to self pleasuring activities such as porn use. I just realised I denied my first statement to begin with, so nevermind. We can't measurre precisely how much damage porn use has done to us. Why not cut out that shit completely and forget about it.

Well, I didn't mean it that way. My opinion is not some sort of truth, it's different for everybody. I just think that young man's libido should be strong enough to have sex almost on a daily when his in his early 20's. An my opinion isn't based on porn at this point. Me, I don't have high libido, for me regular sex once or twice a week would be perfect. Everyone's different. So is libido different for everyone.

For example, the better I feel, the higher libido I have. This can lead to desire to have sex 1-2 times a day on a weekly basis. On the contrary, I can have no desire to have any sex for 2 weeks if I constantly feel worried.

Lower back pains and pain in the testicles is induced by being strongly sexually aroused constantly and not releasing it. So I'm not going to see a doc. I know that my description might sounded rather brutal, but I think I know what I'm doing.
 

jkkk

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Shaft said:
Lower back pains and pain in the testicles is induced by being strongly sexually aroused constantly and not releasing it. So I'm not going to see a doc. I know that my description might sounded rather brutal, but I think I know what I'm doing.

I get it - didn't mean any offence!

Shaft said:
That's hard to say though. Some men just have that PE thing, and perhaps porn use only enhances that.

I don't have PE, but I've experienced it, and know that it's a horrible feeling. Yet for me it wasn't about physical stimulation at all- the brain just forces you to ejaculate as soon as possible. And this PE is strongly connected to self pleasuring activities such as porn use. I just realised I denied my first statement to begin with, so nevermind. We can't measurre precisely how much damage porn use has done to us. Why not cut out that shit completely and forget about it.

Well, I didn't mean it that way. My opinion is not some sort of truth, it's different for everybody. I just think that young man's libido should be strong enough to have sex almost on a daily when his in his early 20's. An my opinion isn't based on porn at this point. Me, I don't have high libido, for me regular sex once or twice a week would be perfect. Everyone's different. So is libido different for everyone.

For example, the better I feel, the higher libido I have. This can lead to desire to have sex 1-2 times a day on a weekly basis. On the contrary, I can have no desire to have any sex for 2 weeks if I constantly feel worried.

I agree that libido is a non-linear thing. Sometimes its their sometimes its not. It may seem obvious, but I think my view on that comes from the fact that I myself have a problem with it: I expect myself to always have a high libido. And I think I'm doing myself no favor with that one.

That said, I'm really not sure if I'm not getting into a bit of a flatline myself now. That might be just it at the moment.
 

Shaft

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Everything's fine man! Didn't get offended at all. I'd gladly go on without MO forever, but in my case that's impossible.

My libido has never been steady, at times it might be so high it's unbearable, sometimes it's extremely low. Currently I feel like it's somehow back to normal again.  You don't have to have high libido all the time, just have to maintain that thing while being with your partner, that's it.  All that matters.

I think flatline isn't always associated with porn use. At least, for me. For me it goes hand in hand with anxiety and general mood. 
 

Shaft

Member
Energy/confidence levels are just simply OK. Got very tired yesterday, had a nice workout outside. My sleep is OK, but I had problems  trying to fall asleep yersterday. I got so horny the other night I thought I was going to orgasm without even touching myself. Just wasn't able to stop fantasies about my GF. Our relationship is better than ever. Had to take a shot of vodka to calm myself down. That helped a  bit.

I know that's a bit crazy, but really didn't want to orgasm when being alone. As my problem is much more anxiety related (it's all about it, porn had just enhanced that anxiety in the past), I don't need those 60-90 days to get normal libido back. For the past 5 days I've had morning wood which lasted each time for maybe 20-30 minutes or so. But I might stop having MW in a matter of few days. That's not saying much at all.

It's kinda impossible not to fantasize about realistic intercourse when you have a GF, I think it's a normal thing to do. No to mention, the smell of a real woman is way more attractive alone than sitting in front of the screen jackin off all over the place.

I'm not testing wether or not I can get it up without any fantasies, just by touching myself, because I don't think that suits me in the first place. The only fantasies I have includes realistic situations and images with my GF. I think intimate experiences with her have almost completely overtaken previous flashbacks and porn images. Why should I be able to orgasm or get super horny just by my hand, when the smell of my GF's hair turns me on already, I'm not even kidding. I get horny just by chatting with her about romantic things sometimes. Not even talking about kissing or hugging. Just for me, testing it with your hand is miles away from the real thing.
 

noises1990

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I'm happy to hear that man!! Nice to know that everything's fine with the missus! Looks to me that you're doing awesome and are heading in a very good direction! Keep it up man!
 

Shaft

Member
Thanks! Hopefully so.

Don't have any unwanted boners, maybe once a day while at home, but nothing insanely driven. Still have rather strong morning wood which kinda wakes me up in the morning. I think it's a good thing not to get aroused for no reason during the day, since my mind is getting brighter and brighter, it has almost stopped producing any unwanted fantasies or flashbacks etc which used to give those boners. Don't feel like a supermen or anything, energy levels aren't boosted either because of this no fap thing. I'm just back to normal. I guess this is due to the fact that I managed to stop my porn addiction at the right time and hadn't dived into this thing seriously. Regarding sexuality, I'm healthier than I've ever been before. Don't feel like a beast or anything, just feeling normal.
 

Shaft

Member
I wish I could say that I'm completely rewired, but I simply can't. Currently I'm really confused guys and don't know what methods should I take in order to beat my problem.

As I said previously, I believed that a week without MO is a reasonable period of time during which I can accumulate and store my sex energy, boost up my libido. (I can't totally abstain from MO because I constantly experience severe pains in lower back and balls area). Since the last O which was more than a week a go I haven't had any severe pains and that felt great.
During the week I was feeling really good in terms of the libido. Morning wood on a daily basis, huge sensitivity, rising hornyness. Anything related to my GF would turn me on- the smell of her her, hugging, kissing etc. Constant boners during the time we were together.

Yesterday we tried to have sex again (7 days no MO, remember). Daily meditations is a good thing, yet towards the evening I caught myself being filled with thoughts of possible failure again. Tried to beat them with all my might saying to myself 'it's all about having a good time, sharing romance, having fun). And we did have hell of a lot of fun. Nice evening, some wine, candles etc. When things began to become more intimate I took this 'lets play a game' approch rather than 'I must perform, I can't fail etc. And it was all great, believe me. Felt so confident that failure to me started to look like an issue that was just a part of old me (because I had rock hard erections on and off before the actual intercourse). I even let her to put a condom for me, and everyting was perfect, up until the moment I started to fell that my erection was slowly decreasing (this is shortly after putting a condom on, and I don't know why that was happinig. I really didn't have much anxiety or anything at that momemnt). Instead of panicking, I focused on my GF kissing me and rock hard erection came back. As soon as I entered her (not even fully) I ejaculated without even assuming or feeling it that was coming. Wasn't insanely horny or anything. It was totally spontanious. Jesus. Why? Where all those boners which I felt during the week (even wasn't able to fall asleep one night) have dissapeared when the right moment came? Losing erection, regaining it, and then orgasming in an uncontrollable manner. I managed to keep an erection afterwards by being stimulated orally, though.

I've been meditating daily for 30 mins. during the past 2 weeks, eating healthy. Last evening I used wine in moderate way to calm myself down and even took small dosage of prescribed medication for anxiety and nervousness (it doesn't lower your sexual drive or damage erection, at least in my case). Porn is even out of the question here. No urges, no fantasies, no flashbacks regarding it. It's not a problem for me anymore.

I just simply don't know what to do. My GF is very supportive, luckily. As I felt that after first 0 I might not live up to the task we started pleasuring each other orally, and at least I gave lots of satisfaction to her in that fashion. I was thinking about trying a different pose in the morning, but realised it's not even worth trying- my my happy just didn't want to be rock hard.

Perhaps I still need more time, I don't know. I thought about abstaining from MO as tool for rising the libido, which kinda is, yet it resulted as PE (which assumed might be one of the negative aspects of it). But what to do than. I really don't wanna be back on regular MO activities, no way. That would leave completely drained and unmotivated.

 

Shaft

Member
Just a short resume about my flatmate for you guys. Only for pure curiosity.

I've know a  guy for the past 5-6 years. He's the clossest friend I got. Decent man, yet of course has his own flaws. Haven't kissed of hugged a girl up until the age of 21 (don't ask how do I know it, I just know, plus he never dienied that). Never had a girl friend up until that age too. (yeah, that's possible believe me). Him never really being that interested in chicks I saw as a strange guy. About 5 months ago I suggested him to met some females  from a few dating sites, and he followed my advice. After the 5th time he 'fell in love' with one one of them, and they have been together until know. The thing is, the guy was a chronic masturbator. had tons of freakish things on his pc (pedophilia included, or tons of pics of a genre in which young boys have intercourses with mature women. Despate all that, guess what. He managed to have his first sexual experience rather succesfully for the first time with that internet girl and since than has become almost a sex maniac judging from the many things changed in his behaviour.
 

jkkk

Well-Known Member
Shaft said:
I wish I could say that I'm completely rewired, but I simply can't. Currently I'm really confused guys and don't know what methods should I take in order to beat my problem.

As I said previously, I believed that a week without MO is a reasonable period of time during which I can accumulate and store my sex energy, boost up my libido. (I can't totally abstain from MO because I constantly experience severe pains in lower back and balls area). Since the last O which was more than a week a go I haven't had any severe pains and that felt great.
During the week I was feeling really good in terms of the libido. Morning wood on a daily basis, huge sensitivity, rising hornyness. Anything related to my GF would turn me on- the smell of her her, hugging, kissing etc. Constant boners during the time we were together.

Yesterday we tried to have sex again (7 days no MO, remember). Daily meditations is a good thing, yet towards the evening I caught myself being filled with thoughts of possible failure again. Tried to beat them with all my might saying to myself 'it's all about having a good time, sharing romance, having fun). And we did have hell of a lot of fun. Nice evening, some wine, candles etc. When things began to become more intimate I took this 'lets play a game' approch rather than 'I must perform, I can't fail etc. And it was all great, believe me. Felt so confident that failure to me started to look like an issue that was just a part of old me (because I had rock hard erections on and off before the actual intercourse). I even let her to put a condom for me, and everyting was perfect, up until the moment I started to fell that my erection was slowly decreasing (this is shortly after putting a condom on, and I don't know why that was happinig. I really didn't have much anxiety or anything at that momemnt). Instead of panicking, I focused on my GF kissing me and rock hard erection came back. As soon as I entered her (not even fully) I ejaculated without even assuming or feeling it that was coming. Wasn't insanely horny or anything. It was totally spontanious. Jesus. Why? Where all those boners which I felt during the week (even wasn't able to fall asleep one night) have dissapeared when the right moment came? Losing erection, regaining it, and then orgasming in an uncontrollable manner. I managed to keep an erection afterwards by being stimulated orally, though.

I've been meditating daily for 30 mins. during the past 2 weeks, eating healthy. Last evening I used wine in moderate way to calm myself down and even took small dosage of prescribed medication for anxiety and nervousness (it doesn't lower your sexual drive or damage erection, at least in my case). Porn is even out of the question here. No urges, no fantasies, no flashbacks regarding it. It's not a problem for me anymore.

I just simply don't know what to do. My GF is very supportive, luckily. As I felt that after first 0 I might not live up to the task we started pleasuring each other orally, and at least I gave lots of satisfaction to her in that fashion. I was thinking about trying a different pose in the morning, but realised it's not even worth trying- my my happy just didn't want to be rock hard.

Perhaps I still need more time, I don't know. I thought about abstaining from MO as tool for rising the libido, which kinda is, yet it resulted as PE (which assumed might be one of the negative aspects of it). But what to do than. I really don't wanna be back on regular MO activities, no way. That would leave completely drained and unmotivated.

Hey Shaft,

Just wanted to have things straight -> so you only had one week without MO?

Bro, that's not enough! You need like, many many weeks. I don't know, maybe 3 months. Without P and without M and without O. I mean, I know it sounds crazy and you would have to talk to your girlfriend about it (things can be arranged so that she does not feel neglected), but I think we are all in this craziness. I'm nearing my 6th week without P and without M. I had O's with my wife (not many) but I still don't know if I should not lose out those O's anyway. They don't seem to help. But still I'm slowly starting to feel effects. Slowly. I think I still need like half a year of going like that to maybe be good and get rid of my issues (mild ED, severe PE). But to stay so focused for a half a year - that's a challenge. M is not too good for us. Particularly if you have a girlfriend, which is great, try to keep all the sexual life with her and see what happens.

I hope I didn't sound harsh. Trying to help. You will be fine man - we just need to keep together :) and support ourselves in difficult times. I really think you might be fine soon, it's just... jumping into deep waters is unavoidable.
 

Shaft

Member
I've had multiple periods of time without MO- 1-2-3 weeks at most. I can't go any further than that, because as I said, it causes me severe pains in lower back ant testicles area because at that point almost everything related to females arouse me, not to mention spending time with my GF in public places eventually leads to a severe pain because of being very aroused and not releasing it. That's a huge reason why I don't take that 30-60-90 days approach. Second thing- I don't do MO myself. Usually, I get into situation with my GF once during 2 weeks when we can have some time for intimacy, so she does it to me. And finally, a third one- as sb has mentioned already, abstaining from MO for a long time messes with your mind a bit in terms of not really helping you to bond with your real life partner. Each time I reached those 2 weeks without releasing it I would start fantasizing about random females I see on the street or some female aquaintances from my past life, I really really don't like. Not to mentiion my GF is way more physically attractive by comparison to them.

So I tailor the whole situation to myself. I do comprehend the importance of 90 days for all of you guys, but that's not a golden rule. I do admit that porn had caused quite a turmoil in my head back in the day, but I've never had PIED or hard time getting it up. I've never been a porn addict, I admit though, how evil it is. This forum was a huge step showing that I released how damaging it can be. I've always had bunch of anxiety, porn only enhanced that anxiety in some ways, that's how I was damaged myself.

My problem is all anxiety related. It's even proven by the fact that I experienced PE a day ago, even though I usually don't have that issue. PE is due to anxiety as well.  It gets slightly better and better with time. I will continue doing what I've been doing- meditating, eating healthy, breathing exercises, abstaining from any sexual contents on net.

If I was to have a sex after not having it released for 2 weeks or more, I would explode just by a few touches of my GF, even one week proven itself to be enough. I know it's brain mostly responsible for forcing you to ejaculate as soon as possible, but I'm in a situation where everything got really sensitive donwstairs too. Despite that, I need to learn how to control it in a better manner. And it's all about learning how to relax.

I also need to consider the simple fact that I've very little sexual experience, so I need to get used to the whole thing and need time, work on psychology and other things. Just abstaining from porn and MO + abstaining from physical intercourse with your GF when you even haven't had much experience in real life intercourse (apart from a few times that weren't succesfull) is not gonna do wonders at least in my case.
 

Shaft

Member
jkkk

Thanks for the support. I do agree that MO don't do any good in most cases, but to me, it sounds like you're experienced sexually and most of the problems have been caused by PMOing in your case, whereas mine is related to anxiety. I also agree wiht only experiencing sexual release in the presence of your partner.

 
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