Getting back to life

SETI

Active Member
Hey J, what's up?

You are talking about "objectifying" women by looking at them. It just sounds like normal behaviour for a guy? I can't really see the problem there. Feels like you give yourself a hard time for being sexual...
Who is bothered by you looking at women and appreciating it?
 

jkkk

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Hey SETI,

Well, sure, being sexual is OK. The problem starts where you enter a shopping mall and you wander your eyes around in order to check out all the ladies, and you find an "object" and you scan her up and down, trying to imagine how she looks without clothes on or which sexual techniques she's in to.

The above does happen to me.

What do you think about the above?

As regards myself - still a bit stressed. Me and my wife we have time until tomorrow to make the decision about buying the flat. So, kind of short notice things. Still I am scared about it, honestly...
 

SETI

Active Member
jkkk said:
Hey SETI,

Well, sure, being sexual is OK. The problem starts where you enter a shopping mall and you wander your eyes around in order to check out all the ladies, and you find an "object" and you scan her up and down, trying to imagine how she looks without clothes on or which sexual techniques she's in to.

The above does happen to me.

What do you think about the above?

As regards myself - still a bit stressed. Me and my wife we have time until tomorrow to make the decision about buying the flat. So, kind of short notice things. Still I am scared about it, honestly...

I don't really know a solution for this. I just look and then move on. Don't you have stuff to do in the mall? :D
To be honest my libido was never that high to begin with. Maybe someone else can give his input on this one?

The flat and all is a big step of course. I'm gonna be frank here J. Are you happy in your marriage?
 

jkkk

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Guys,

Haven't been here for a while - exactly a week. Quite a long time, given my initial idea to put in a post every day :/

I had some very nice vacation last week. This week has been hectic in work and in life - we are currently negotiating the sale-purchase agreement of the flat.

We made the decision to go for it. I must say it I had my doubts (and still have them) but also, I feel that... this a good move. A lot of things will change. I will have to live on a lower budget and I'll need to save money. Things I didn't want to think about. An effort I wanted to avoid. I feel good about taking it on.

SETI,

Ad 1: there is a great thread on Objectifying Women in the "Porn Addiction" forum. There is great stuff there and testimonials of many guys who identified this as a real problem. To me it's not different than watching P, really. OK, P is more stimulating, but this objectifying thing still has the strongest catch, at least to me - novelty. I'm addicted to novelty and the PMO addiction (and widely speaking sex addiction) definitely grows on that.

Ad 2: I am. It is far from being a cakewalk. It is, I think, something else than I expected. I think I, as an addict, expected things to be exactly according to my liking and how I imagined. And they are not. This goes against the backdrop of my general problem with dissatisfaction - and you summed it up perfectly a few posts ago (I guess that's on the previous page :) ).
 

jkkk

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Holding on. Haven't been here for a while but only due to the amount of work and things associated with the flat.

We signed a preliminary reservation agreement yesterday, so things are rolling.

My wife and I, for the time being, we are moving to my parents. Yes. This is well... out of the need to save up money. And we need to save up money.

I will get back with some thoughts on my reboot in a moment.
 

fnatk

Active Member
Hey dude, glad to hear about signing a preliminary reservation for the flat! Moving back to your parents isn't exactly a fun thing to do, but I'm sure you'll find that in the end it was worth it.

Also, nice job on 1 month! Looks like you're still going strong and making good progress, looking forward to hear about how your reboot has been going but don't stress it about not being logged on here much. You've got a lot going on and as long as you're staying PMO free this forum isn't a priority :)

Stay strong!
 

jkkk

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Hey fnatk,

Thanks a lot for your kind words and support! It means a lot.

My reboot has its ups and downs. What I wanted to tell when writing last time was that I do feel on a bit of a rollercoaster as regards my mood. From what I gather this is part of the addiction being left out - the brain isn't really stable in its behaviour. I recall a few times in the past weeks that I woke up in a bad mood and was then really happy/positive at the end of the day without any particular reason. It happened the other way round as well.

Also, my streak is not looking bad and I am happy about it but I must also sell that the current events are taking their toll on me. I do feel stressed and once again in my life I do feel that PMO is just the fallback stress reliever for me. So some pixels with women happened to be on my screen. And I know this too well - this is the standard incremental steps by which the doors of PMO are becoming more and more open. I decided to shut it, but keep your fingers crossed for me, because this is really a testing time for me...

 

jkkk

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Right.

My silence for the past few days was all due to the fact that I was moving out of my rented flat and moving in with my parents. All this coincided with a hell of a work in work. Altogether: pretty nasty. I did get time to get some rest now, so it's getting better.

But the stress is getting to me and it is getting to me in bad ways too. As regards PMO - I spend too much time on the net on facebook, perusing profiles of girls. This takes me to some pics of models on the net too. And then I start touching myself, which is not helping either.

This is total shit. It goes against the reboot. It doesn't help. I don't feel better afterwards, I feel worse.

One could say it's not P, but really, it is a substitute. I'm tricking myself in and downplaying, but it's just this horrible addiction tricking me te belive that it's nothing harmful. But it is. It starts from this and it gets worse from there...

I am a bit down now so support is much appreciated.
 

noises1990

Active Member
Ha! Sounds a lot like me man! Well, it's normal for your brain to find substitutes for it's porn loss! You just gotta keep focused on the goals you want to achieve!
In the past few months I've done some changes to my lifestyle that brought me a bit closer to my spiritual side... I'm trying to always think that God is watching over me... So I say to myself... What do I want him to see when he choses to watch down on me?

Find some ways to release stress... This is an issue I've encountered also. Leading to a general anxiety and frequent panic attacks! One method that worked well untill I fcked up my right knee, was Kick Box and running. Man it really makes you feel a lot better and helps with your breathing and stress/anxiety levels

Stay strong bro and don't be so hard on yourself! That's something my therapist always says to me... Don't be so hard on yourself!
 

SETI

Active Member
noises1990 said:
Stay strong bro and don't be so hard on yourself! That's something my therapist always says to me... Don't be so hard on yourself!

Agreed! I think its possible to handle stress in many way. One way is to let go of some of the "unnecessary" stress. Stuff we can't control for example.

Something about problems (cause of stress) that I believe is quite smart and reasonable:

"If you can do something about it, don't worry, do something about it. If you can't do something about it, don't worry, because it makes no sense to worry about it!"

I seriously recommend doing meditation a little every day. I learned this from doing Zen meditation years ago. Start with 5 minutes. (set alarm)
Sit straight on the floor preferably with legs crossed. Practice to look at the thoughts and let them go. That sounds easy but it can be super hard.

If its hards in the beginning you can count your out-breaths until you hit 10, then you start from 1 again. Its very good practice! (try it, its harder than you think)

The use of this practice, in my experience, leads to a bigger ability to let go of thoughts which clears the head and leaves space. Its healthy!
 

jkkk

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Guys, thanks a lot for your presence and support.

I'll try to not be so hard on myself in the first place.

In the second, I think I need to pause for a second and seriously think and seriously ask myself about my motivations and my objectives. I somehow got them of my radar...
 

jkkk

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I've been off to a week vacation, hence the silence in my journal. But I'm back now.

I had some time offline to think and I will share my thoughts here in the coming time.
 

jkkk

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As regards my thoughts, here is what I want to share with you and others.

My last post before vacation was about motivation. I just noticed that I'm slipping up in the reboot constantly (and all small perusing of facebook profiles and things like that count towards such slip-ups) because - in all honesty before myself - I am not ranking the addiction as an important enough problem.

Complacency, basically. I do not know why it kicked in but I do know it is a sign of a "half-baked" reboot. In my case, I have been clean for a relatively long time before and I think that I came to a point where I though "it won't do harm if I have at look at this or that".

It will, surprise surprise. It seems an obvious thing but yet the addiction is so strong, it plays tricks with our minds. I have been caught in that.

There is also one more very important factor, which is, I think, of a spiritual nature.

I seem to have found myself in a state of mind where I have a problem with accepting that I can't have everything in life. Seems brilliant, doesn't it? ;) on a concrete level, connected with PMO, this means that I think I can be like everyone else: "normal guys" can look at erotica, peruse girls profiles on facebook, see P every now and then, it's "normal". I see people discussing racy content and I think, "well if they can watch it, why should I stop myself?". The issue is that if we take for granted that "normal guys" actually can watch such material, then well, I can't - I am addicted, I know that. What I see there will activate novelty and excitement pathways and will put me on track on getting to P. Honestly, this is how it looks like.

This problem of accepting that I can't have everything grows on the idea that "I do not have to sacrifice anything". But it's not true. Cutting of P, M and pixels with women is a sacrifice.

Similarly, I am married to a great woman. Yet, I keep on checking on other girls and women, and thinking "how would it be with them". What is behind is again the thought - I can do that, it's normal. But in my case not so much - it is natural to be interested in other women I do not expect myself not to notice them. But the issue is that I keep gazing at them sometimes with the thought: "lots of guys do that, why should I refrain?". Again, I have problem with sacrificing that.

These thoughts came to me recently because I found myself in a bit of a deadlock. When I started my first reboot I had a strong motivation and clear vision on why I'm doing that and I knew why I had to cut off all the PMO-related activity.

I lost this motivation and vision some time ago, and I want to get it back or build a new one - something that will keep me going in the right direction.

And I just think this cannot be done without sacrifice. For much of last time, which had many slip-ups I kept thinking that it is possible to somehow get the best of both worlds. It is not, I think. I will need to make sacrifices. And the best indicator for me that this is the right path is that I am so reluctant to make them. If you guys know what I mean :)
 

jkkk

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So yeah, despite all my new-learned clever ideas. I had a slip-up today again...

Why? I don't know. I guess because I'm addicted.

I'm having a stressful time all the time, honestly, but I'm thinking if that even is an excuse.

Again, what happened today is that I started by just perusing facebook profiles and then it spun out of control - I did see P.

If there is anything good in it, it may be the constant reminder of my problem.

But I think I have to start a no-pixel reboot. And treat it seriously.

I am feeling quite bad now about myself. I am waiting so much for the good fruit of the reboot (and I did experience many!) and yet I hamper it so easily. Or rather it's not me. It's the addiction really that fights back. But I just think I can do more.
 

noises1990

Active Member
Well.. no need to be so harsh on yourself man... Yeah, be a bit more strict, after all this is about yourself and keeping yourself off of something! You can do it!
Learn from this experience and I strongly suggest to delete FB, or at least suspend it for a period of time. I deleted mine when I realized that I've been substituting porn with FB profiles of girls, acting like a creeper, browsing through their photos.

Keep yourself strict man! Throw a few punches in your direction and get back up there! There's nobody else that can do this in your place... It's hard, and it's gonna be harder, but you can do it man!
 

jkkk

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This is a lifestyle change.

This is the whole wisdom I can share for today. And in my view it's a big one. A really big one.

I guess many can live without P or M for sometime but are we really willing to change our lifestyle?
 

jkkk

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I'm treading with my renewed reboot effort.

I'm starting to feel and understand that only total dopamine-reboot can help.

Cutting out Facebook, Internet images, checking-out girls is necessary and crucial - for those of you who ditched P, but still feel that this is not enough.
 

jkkk

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Still a bit amazed.

Honestly, guys - to all of you who reboot and put in effort, but feel that it is not working as great:

- as William wrote in his great (a must-read) thread (http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=1256.0) we are addicted to dopamine, NOT porn

- this is crucially important. Why? Because if you guys are addicted, like I am, your brain will work around porn to find you artificial dopamine kicks: searching Facebook, looking in the Internet, staring at girls on the streets -> you will NOT WATCH PORN BUT STILL YOU WILL BE ON THE DOPAMINE KICK

- so do not stop watching Fb or images in the Internet (gossip sites - the worst of all) out of pure will to not watch, but to reboot, to effectively reboot

- the mistake I made was that I always knew that Fb and images, and staring is bad but thought that is still not PMOing so better do that than PMO

- that is bullshit; it is merely the same - if you're looking for real, life changing effect, drop all dopamine cravings

- this is a lifestyle change, I must say

- please keep fingers crossed that I stay on the path that I now tread

- I want to stay on it very much

J.
 
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