38 - Virgin - Depressed - PIED? PLEASE HELP ME!

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
Hey man, not knowing where you live, I don't know what you have access to. But I can share some things that have helped me.

I too struggled with intimacy with real-life women, the last relationship I was in was in 2001, which only lasted for 10 months. It fell apart because of substances and my porn/prostitute activities.

After that my drug addiction, alcoholism, porn addiction and frequenting prostitutes (sometimes three in a single night) had turned my life into a sad, lonely, living hell. I was dying slowly.

I got sick in 2012, got better, then again in 2014 and ended up hospital for seven days. I forced my way out of hospital only to deteriorate further for 1.5 months and then finaly went back in hospital again for ten days before eventually recovering.

When I came out, after praying and promising God to do whatever it took, I did the following:

1. went out to meetings and started meeting a lot of recovering drug addicts, alcoholics, sex addicts and even food addicts. I followed the suggestion to do 90 meetings in 90 days and sometimes attended two to three meetings in a single a day. I even attended a couple full day recovery workshops. I didn't want to go back to where I had been.

2. I started doing service at meetings, which brought me closer to other recovering addicts, sex addicts, drug addicts and alcoholics, people I would never dream of associating with in my real like.

3. I got a sponsor, someone who helped me through the 12 steps of recovery according to AA. This was a powerful experience which I try to maintain even today through some form of written work.

4. After realising the importance of a Higher Power, I went back to church and started praying to God. I started reading the Bible daily and asked God to come into my life, I prayed for Him to show me how I could turn my life around. I started to attended recovery meetings at my church. Every addict's Higher Power will be different.

That's basically it: trust God, clean house and help others.

Today, I attend church once a week, one meeting a week and try to stay in touch with my sponsor. I stay connected with the guys in my sex addicts anonymous meeting and receive messages daily from them which remind me of what I should be focusing on daily.

I still read the Bible daily and even when I get distracted or it doesn't make sense, it feels better knowing that I engaged with God's word.

I met the love of my life in this process and we are now expecting a child. My career is good, I could do better, but I can safely say that it's strong and progressing.

But God is pulling me to do more service, I've committed to doing more service for my SAA group and it is helping me. I realise that I am spending too much time on social media, and too much time online. It makes me sleep too late and wake up rushing out of the door.

I know this affects every area of my life in the same way as my porn and drug addiction, although maybe to a lesser degree. Still, it is not something I want for myself, so I continue to work at freeing myself of it.

Again, I say I cannot tell you how to fight this fight. All I can say is to do everything in your power, and find as many allies in this fight as possible.

While this forum is great and a useful tool, especially when we are sitting at work during idle moments, I cannot stress enough how valuable real life people are especially at night and when we have a lot of free time.

I would recommend if you have access, attend meetings, wherever you can find them, whether it's at church, your local AA or whatever, you can even start one. The point is not the venue, but the connection and fellowship.

Also, service is powerful. In being of service to others, you forget about your struggle. I believe you can learn "seduction techniques" but if you are living this way in recovery you are much more likely to find a woman who not only likes you, but holds the same values as you, regardless of your current life situation.  You will be more likely to find the strength to make decisions that bring you closer to success, but that's only if you "work it".
 

broody

New Member
Sad to hear your story I feel empathy for your case because I guess is similar to mine. Few years ago I was diagnosed with panic disorder and I had to stop working, the main culprit for my disorder was my stressful job, I had to work 6 days a week, I had to have 24/7 availability and take work home, so my social life was pretty much non existent, I also developed a excessive coffee drinking habit, internet porn and masturbation. In my case I couldn't get sleep because I had really strong erections during the night and I couldn't stop thinking about girls and sex, so in order to sleep I had to go and masturbate.

I ended up going back to live with my parents, had to gave up my car. I went under treatment with antidepressants and it worked, but the side effects of the medication destroyed my sexual life. I began experiencing ED and PE, I have lost 3 amazing girls because of this so I asked my doctor about cutting up the medication, he basically told me to take it easy, that the medication was going to be eventually reduced. When it finally did I thought I was fine but the symptoms came back albeit lighter, I did not wanted to take more medication so my crazy tree-hugger aunt told me to take b-complex vitamins. I decided to give it a try and to my surprise my symptoms disappeared I even made a unscientific test and I stop taking it and the symptoms came back. So my advice is to give b-complex vitamins a chance also take calcium and zinc, they might improve you mood. We are ruled by our hormones and our brains take the bench most of the time.

Now, you also need to understand that it is not your fault. The times we live in are making harder and harder (no pun intended) to date and keep relationships but you need to stop masturbating, I know is easier to say it but start by taking out the computer out of your room, get a regular cellphone and I know this is not the best advice and it might be illegal where you live but try with a prostitute, of course with the necessary protection. We all wish we had lost our virginity using just our "charm" but that is not the case every time. When you take the virginity pressure out of your mind you might take things differently, it might even increase your confidence. I know most people will criticize my advice but we need to get real. Some people cannot pickup girls at bars that easy, and it is no a matter of being hot. I have a really ugly friend that gets more pussy than I do, and I have used the same lines and strategy that he uses and I only get the police called on me.
 

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
Stay away from escorts.

The problem lies in the very wrong notion that being a virgin is a bad thing, this what the modern world tells us. The world tells us that the more "successful" we are in getting laid, the more valuable we are as human beings. In fact, there is great honour in being pure, trust me.

Just focus on expanding in other areas of your life if, for the moment, sex in a loving committed relationship is not available. Involving yourself with escorts will only complicate your life to no end..
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Hello,

Thank you for your advice. I appreciate the time people take to post and help me.

I think I'm pretty much ruling out escorts. I frankly don't have the balls for it!

Also, last night was a pretty bad night.... I masturbated to nude pics. (Not quite porn, but still some porn stars there. I can't help it, I just love porn stars, for fucks sake!! ) It's so frustrating on Friday and Saturday nights when I'm stuck in my bedroom and pretty much everyone else is fucking around!! makes me in despair!! And then makes me sad... and then I start masturbating!!! What can I do about it????? It also doesn't help when it's summer right now and the girls outside, with the clothes that they wear, are almost suggesting that they want to be fucked, fucked and fucked! (I know because it's hot - but that's what it "feels" like, which doesn't help!)

I'm also not going to get involved in religious things, I was a complete mug for believing in it. Religion is out of my life for good and  that is the best decision I have made and will ever make!

Anyway, as I said, last night I masturbaed to nude pics and now I'm fearful that this might have backtraced my progress.

What can I do in these situations??
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Also, if I'm addicted to masturbating, and this is bad for my brain and penis - what will happen if I get a girl in my life? Does that mean I can only ejaculate every now and then to avoid the dopamine spike?

And if I'm getting too much dopamine, why can't I feeling as much pleasure as before? (I  mean that feeling after ejaculating, currently it goes away almost as soon as I finish cumming.)

How can i know that the lack of enjoyment is down to too much dopamine or too little dopamine? (I ask the latter because I've had a chronic and severe depression.)

Please advice.

Thank you.

Thank you.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Hello,

I've just came back from outside - wow oh wow, man!! What the hell!! I was walking by the road and a girl on a bike, wearing a skirt, cycled next to me - do you want to know what happened? The wind moved her skirt upwards and I could see her arse (with nickers) sitting on the seat cycling away!! Wow!

However, I did not feel a thing? No response to a sexual stimuli whatsoever! WHY?

Later on in the day few girls wearing bakinis, with their breasts almost reveling it all, walked by me but I felt nothing. (Rememeber, I'm a bloody virigin, ffs, I'm supposed to feel it! )

I'm really worried this might happen to me if that ever so elusive day comes.

Please explain to  me what the heck is going on with my mind.
 

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
Don't worry, you're not supposed to have a raging boner every time you see girls in various states of undress.

But I would recommend continue to abstain from porn and all masturbation.

When you find a girlfriend, do not rush into having sex, as you will be too tense and end up not being able to perform, something that happened to me, leading me to question if I am indeed gay.

Rather, and when the relationship is solidly based in respect and trust, explore healing touch. You do this by just exploring parts like hands, arms, neckline etc, but not rushing to touch boobs or "down under".

There's a great book called "The Porn Trap" which details how to go about using healing touch to re-calibrate the body, brain and mind to normal touch. But the key is to stop completely with masturbation.

If you don't have a partner, go outside into nature and explore healing touch with various objects, like rocks, leaves and bark of trees. Also, take care of yourself, take long baths, groom yourself well, start dressing nicely just to make yourself feel good, and not necessarily to catch a bird. Clean out you room and tidy everything up. This will all instantly improve your mood and boost your self esteem, the one thing that porn has eroded.


 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Hello,


Yes, I know you're not supposed to have  a raging boner when see nude girls, but still, my mind is not reacting to it at all. Previously I used to enjoy it! But why not now???

I do look after myself, I go to the gym regularly and dress well. But these things are no longer a compensation after so many ears of no girls/sex and connections. (with anyone, not just partners.)

Right now my mind seems to be closer to death rather than life. I no longer experience the "life is good" feeling. In fact, I get really sad and sick when I hear people say that phrase. Makes me miss that feeling so much!!

 

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
DepressedAndOut said:
Hello,


Yes, I know you're not supposed to have  a raging boner when see nude girls, but still, my mind is not reacting to it at all. Previously I used to enjoy it! But why not now???

Don't worry, the longer you stay away from masturbating and porn, gradually physical sensation and emotional capacity will return. You feel things more vividly, the entire spectrum of life, joy, sadness, anger, delight, wonder etc.. But as long as you continue to numb yourself with dopamine, emotions and physical sensations will be blurred. At least that is my experience. It is indeed a dark place, but you have to ask yourself "Is the momentary pleasure worth the depression that comes with it?"

For a long time, I dedicated myself to experiencing as much of this artificial pleasure, through drugs, porn and hookers. I have live through that darkness, and I assure you, it is not fun, it is a place that is as far away from God as I've ever been.

13 days ago, I binged on Jerry Springer, which is light compared to what I've done, but the feeling of emptiness was the same. I realised then that it's not about the substance or the image or the video, it's about being separated from our creator who loves us. At least that is my experience.

 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Okay, but what about if I meet a partner and I have sex with her? Would the dopamine rush and penis masturbation (for example when cumming on her) not start to affect me again? Why alone and not with a partner?

Also, how do I know the problem is the lack of dopamine and not too much of it?
 

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
DepressedAndOut said:
Okay, but what about if I meet a partner and I have sex with her? Would the dopamine rush and penis masturbation (for example when cumming on her) not start to affect me again? Why alone and not with a partner?

Also, how do I know the problem is the lack of dopamine and not too much of it?

I have found that the notion of "cumming on" a woman is one found almost always in porn, and not in a loving relationship. It is degrading to the woman. So, I don't see the need to ever masturbate. There was an interesting study of a particular tribe that had never even heard of masturbation, let alone practice it. It is a modern, western phenomenon, driven by pornography.

I wouldn't say your problem is a lack of dopamine. The problem we have as sex and porn addicts is desensitization. Our neuro-transmitters have become so overload with ever increasing amounts of domanine, that the number receptors has decreased, leading to higher tolerance. The same phenomenon happens with drugs where the body decreases the number receptors and we need high doses.

Once the addict, of heroin for instance, cleans out, the receptors regenerate and he or she is able to be more sensitive to normal levels of euphoria or pleasure. But when they relapse, they go back to the amount they last used, leading to overdose.

Anyway, I digress. Dopamine is not the problem. The problem is that you have become numb to normal levels of dopamine. The only way is to stop using porn, stop masturbating and let time be the healer.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Yes, but what I mean, the masturbation movement (ie, hand masturbating the penis, by the man or the woman) is usually preformed during sex. (Come on you have to be creative when having sex - why eliminate that movement?) Is that not the same as masturbation, which is something that is advised to me to stop).

Basically what I'm asking is: Why would the effect of masturbation during sex be any different when alone?  (ie, in this case, the over production of dopamine, desensitization and receptors not picking it up.)

 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Hello again,


I also really need an answer to this following question, please.

As a 33 year-old who has not had one intimate moment with a woman, and therefore not had the opportunity to build my innate reward template/circut for women and sex, does make it harder when trying to resolve my ED?

I'm currently reading the book Your Brain on Porn and there is one quote  of a member that states: "Fortunately, I had a long foundation of healthy sex before porn and I recognized what was going on. After I quit, I started getting laid again, and often."

Obviously this guy, for his recovery, had the advantage of his natural sex reward circuit (I know it's all one circuit) being templated to real sex before.

But for me, this is really concerning for my recovery as I haven't had any experience of real sex.

I've been in a really emotional mood today as I've been trying to source a place of my own but unfortunately I would not be able to afford it at the moment. I have no idea if me moving out of my parents house, and therefore sex, will ever happen. So sick and depressed. (and right now I feel like masturbating, but I know I shouldn't. It's just so difficult right now.)

I would appreciate your help please.
 

speaker99

Member
Hello,

I've just spent some time going over your thread after joining the forum and making my first post.

Obviously, you've made some progress since you began sharing your story, I think the one aspect that stood out to me the most was your goal of saving up money. It sounds to me like you've been doing well with that goal. It probably has been challenging to stay committed to not spending cash on shit you don't need but would like to have. Personally, I've spent money on shit I don't need and would like to save more money than I have spent. But what I'm getting at is that you set yourself that goal and you've managed to stick to it. You know what you're working towards and have a vision of what that will be when you achieve it. You're actively working on improving your self.

But, are you doing all these things because you want to have a physical experience with a woman? I'm not sure about that? Perhaps, you've realized that it will allow you to have more freedom and self-reliance. And I think that is admirable. That's what I believe we are all working towards on this journey. We want to improve our situation. Ultimately, having a sexual experience is a fleeting moment. I respect that you want to improve your situation and are actively working towards your goal. You've made some progress. Now, what other small daily steps can be taken to improve it that much more?

I personally am struggling to get back into the gym on a regular basis. Perhaps you can share with me, and others on this forum, what insights you have about maintaining a workout regimen and help those like me learn from what you've achieved. I will be checking this post daily in hopes that you can help me.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
hello

Yes, I'm saving up money for my online degree that I would like to finish- I believe my career prospects would decided what sort of woman I will end up with. (If any!)

I don't have much problem motivating myself for the gym for two reasons:

1. I want a woman in my life.

2. I don't have much to do after work.

Maybe if you get a training partner, it would help you get motivated.

Good luck.
 

FlyPhoenix

Active Member
DepressedAndOut said:
Yes, but what I mean, the masturbation movement (ie, hand masturbating the penis, by the man or the woman) is usually preformed during sex. (Come on you have to be creative when having sex - why eliminate that movement?) Is that not the same as masturbation, which is something that is advised to me to stop).

Basically what I'm asking is: Why would the effect of masturbation during sex be any different when alone?  (ie, in this case, the over production of dopamine, desensitization and receptors not picking it up.)

Hey man,

This issue, as you you're mentioned, is that when the body experiences orgasm, certain hormones are released. These hormones are designed to create a bonding experience with our partner and solidify the relationship. When we PMO, we form a bond with porn which erodes our healthy relationships, even non-sexual relationships. When we MO, we reinforce our solitary state.

I would recommend just asking how important M and MO is in our lives. Can we really do without it? We can't do without food, water or shelter, but we can do without M and MO I'm sure..?

Be strong man, I struggle with this issue daily as well. But I believe it is possible. We save the energy wasted on M and MO and we received inspiration and revelations about how to proceed in the different areas of life. We gain better control of our emotions and  start to attract the right people and situations into our lives. Be strong man, I believe it all makes sense somewhere down the line, just have faith.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
What do I do if i sneaked peak at a naked picture and it made me feel like I used to do when looking at porn?? (It was on purpose)

Does this hinder my progress much? I know I shouldn't have looked, but you know how it is for me. :(
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Really disheartening day today: unfortunately I masturbated twice and on both occassisions my erection was weaker than before .

Honestly, I really seem to be a lost cause.

There has not been one sign of good progress in six months that I quit porn.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
DepressedAndOut said:
Hello again,


I also really need an answer to this following question, please.

As a 33 year-old who has not had one intimate moment with a woman, and therefore not had the opportunity to build my innate reward template/circut for women and sex, does make it harder when trying to resolve my ED?

I'm currently reading the book Your Brain on Porn and there is one quote  of a member that states: "Fortunately, I had a long foundation of healthy sex before porn and I recognized what was going on. After I quit, I started getting laid again, and often."

Obviously this guy, for his recovery, had the advantage of his natural sex reward circuit (I know it's all one circuit) being templated to real sex before.

But for me, this is really concerning for my recovery as I haven't had any experience of real sex.

Hello,

Does anyone have any answer to the above query, please?

Would be much appreciated. Thank you.
 
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