38 - Virgin - Depressed - PIED? PLEASE HELP ME!

FlyPhoenix

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DepressedAndOut said:
Hello,

Does anyone have any answer to the above query, please?

Would be much appreciated. Thank you.

*Trigger Warning (felt it necessary to mention some specifics of my acting out)

Hey man,

My problem is the opposite, I have probably slept with over a hundred prostitutes in my life and only about 5 "normal" girls, consensual encounters, which escalated to 'trans' escorts and 'trans' porn, which is apparently becoming more and more common in this fallen world.

I felt I was also hopeless, and that I would not be able to make love to a "normal" woman, because the attraction to trans porn and sex was so strong.

As I read the YBOP website I came across HOCD, which I realise is exactly what I had. When I decided to hand my life over to the Lord in 2014 I had stopped having sex with escorts, and thankfully never since, God-willing.

However, I've still struggled with PMO, MO and P. The last time I PMO was about 1.5 months ago, and the last time I looked at stimulating material (Jerry Springer reveals) was about 20 days (whatever my counter says).

But, the solution for me, was to continue to hand my life over to God, and if I relapsed, to not beat myself up, because that leads to long binges. I really believe that a PMO slip is better than a full on binge. Although I might have the shame still, it is better for my reboot to keep the slips down to short bursts, if they happen at all, pick myself up and continue with recovery, attend meetings, speak to other addicts, pray, do service and continue to do "step work" focus more and more on solutions, rather than the problem.

In order to gain more sensitivity in the body and especially sexually, I have done several things, including but not limited to the following this:

1. Meditation - with "kegel" exercises, which is light contractions of pelvic floor as you breathe in and releasing as you breath out. Make sure to breath gently and through your abdominal centre, which is just under your navel, do not move the chest, keep the breathing in the base. Read up on this and maybe do some "chi kung" exercises from books, online or classes if they are available in your area, this is probably the most powerful thing you can do to strengthen your sexual energy and overall energy in your body.

2. Touch therapy - alone or in a long-term, loving relationship. Like I?ve mentioned, take time in a meditative state to use your hands to gently touch and experience everyday objects, like rocks, flowers, trees, moist grass. Be present and relaxed, do not try to rush the process. With a partner, spend time getting to know each other, forget about sex, just spend time touching not-erotic zones, like hands, arms, give each other back rubs, and keep it at that without going all the way. In fact, you can put a rule upfront that you won?t have sex, and won?t even kiss. For me, this took so much pressure out of the ?dating game? that, when we eventually had our first kiss, a few months into our relationship, and had sex a few months after that, we had a deep knowledge of each other, and we trusted each other, that if I could not perform, we already had a solid relationship and I knew that she wanted to be with me. But by that time, we already had a strong attraction to each other. Those months will give you a good idea, as you do all the other activities of recovery that I?ve noted above, as to how much physical attraction you have for each other. It will also give you incentive to work harder at your programme.

I cannot emphasise enough how important it is to have a programme of recovery, from as many angles as possible. Remember, we put huge amounts of energy and time and scheming into our active addiction, we need to put in just as much or more into our recovery. The only reason you will not do whatever it takes to recover, is fear, which is natural. But don?t let it paralyse you, just take one step at a time, one day at a time, do something each day that will strengthen your recovery.

 

DepressedAndOut

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Thanks for your advice, I already do kegels with meditation with mental and physical mindfulness.

However, I still don't have an answer to my question . A question that is really scaring me.

I would appreciate if someone can provide me with the best scientific researches on this .

Thank you.
 

DepressedAndOut

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It's now nearly the end of 7 months without porn (apart from one brief lapse), and so far the only changes I'm experiencing have been negatives ones:

1. Weaker erections and longer "upload" time. (I mean longer time it would get erect.)

and

2. No reaction to real sexual stimuli whatsoever.

I'm not saying I want to go back to porn, it has been quite easy to give it up, but I'm really unsettled by this. At least when I was experiencing porn I was feeling comfort and less frustration.

I'm really fearful that a full, irreversible ED is coming way - at which point suicide would be the only option.

I'm absoutley sick of my soulless existence so far. So fucking heartbroken at how my life is turning out to be.

 

FlyPhoenix

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DepressedAndOut said:
I'm absoutley sick of my soulless existence so far. So fucking heartbroken at how my life is turning out to be.

I would like to explore the possibility that sex is not the most important part of life. Now, I understand you might want to fall in love and have children. When you meet the right woman, who you connect with on a deep level, there are ways to assist with ED.

But in the meantime, I believe there are so many things in life that could bring you great joy and even deep peace. Maybe try looking somewhere else, which is to mean if you focus less on the problem and look at other areas where you can develop yourself,  you might come back to find out that the ED is no longer a problem.

In my experience, I've found that ED is the result of stress, maybe focusing so much on it is creating stress, a vicious cycle..
 

DepressedAndOut

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things just get worse and worse now!!!

I relapsed couple of days ago - and now, upon masturbating, I noticed that there is less blood flow and that my penis has shrunk!!!

Is there anyway back from this....? Please help!! It's blow after blow for me... I'm so sick right now!!!

I'm now thinking of going out and losing my virginity to any half decent girl - the anguish wait of weather I would be able to get it up is killing me!! I really need to know !!

I intend ongoing to a casino this weekend - hell knows what will happen.
 

DepressedAndOut

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Hello,

I'm looking for someone to add me on Facebook to chat to about this whenever needed.

I really need someone who is experienced in this issue. Please check my profile and add me: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007070627325&lst=100007070627325%3A100007070627325%3A1502360653

Please note that this is my fake profile for obvious reasons. But nonetheless, I will be using it under this name to avoid potential embarrassment of this issue becoming known to family and friends.

Thank you.
 
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HumbleRich

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DO,

How is your employment situation?  What about your living situation?  I imagine your folks want you out of the house!  It is great you are keeping yojrself in good physical shape.  But what about otber areas of your life.

Porn addiction is a symptom of something bigger.  Figure out what that is.  You need something to hold onto as you reject porn.

Which is not to say that having something makes it easier to quit.  I am.married, love my wife, and that does not make me any less screwed up, and marriage itself didn't get me to quit porn.

Quitting porn is something you have to decide  to do.  But you need a life to cling onto.  To focus on.  And forgive me for saying this, but it doesn't sound like you habe anything to keep you afloat.

A man needs something to do.  A wife to look after.  A job to complete.  Chores to do.  Without them, life feels meaningless.

Believe me.  I habe been there.  You say you are 33, so you are close to.my age (I just turned 31). 

I have struggled with self motivation and self fulfillment all my life.  Going to a Liberal Arts College, while I did earn a good degree in science, didn't help, as it turned me into a hopeless liberal.  Then I went and got a Masters in Museum Studies.  I came home, expecting to have heaps of interviews.  It didn't happen. 

I ended up moving to Korea to teach English with my grad school grlfriend, now wife.  She then pushed me to start an alternative certification program with her.  I just started, and feel.for.the first time that I am beginning to build a career.

And guess what I wanted to do after college?  The answer is teach.  But I didn't have the direction, the motivation to follow that dream, resulting in years of wasted time.

What is your passion?  If you can't go back to.school or get trained in something, what is something you are already good at doing, that does not require a degree.

Find it.  Do it.  Start making a salary and looking after yourself.  Quit the porn and masturbation for good (I know, I know, me first!)

Which brings me to something.  Do you realize how lucky you are to be going through this single?  Think about it.  Many of us are going through this process while we are in committed relationships!  Where sex is very much on the table.  At least most of the time, or at the least, some kf tbe time.

You don't have that problem.  You have all the time in the world to do this.  No one is going to leave you.  (Which by the way does not excuse you continuing to use.  The more you do this the more you will harm your body.)

But, you only have your own life to screw up right now.  It doesn't harm anyo e else, at least not directly.  It may ha e an imlact on your parents.  Nothing kills self motivation like porn addiction. 

Heck, if it makes it easier, and you are a Christian, devote your body to Christ until you meet the woman of your dreams.

If I could go back, I would definitely choose abstinence until marriage.  Do you know how amazing it would be to save yourself for that right person?

Think about it.  No comparing your wife to women you slept with in the past.  No baggage.  Just you and your wife.

You are 33!  You're not old.  I got married to my wife a month or two before I turned 30.  And I think I was too young.  Or at least too young psychologically.

I still love my wife.  I just had no idea what marriage would entail.  I didn't know what it meant to serve someone and to dedicate your life to putting that person first.

It is something I am.just learning now.  And my marriage definitely would have gone better if I had knkwn this stuff befkre I got married.

I won't leave my wife because I made a promise to her to serve and honor.  And I habe failed to do that consistently.  Not until I am truly doing my job as a husband will I think about anything except for fixing myself as a husband.

And that is something you get to.do.  you get to fix yoirself as a man.

Don't think of this as getting rid of an old friend.  Think of this as getting rid of the devil.  Think of it as becoming the man you were born to be.  And think of this as preparing yoirself to be married.

Because I never bothered to.do.tbat.  and I am laying fkr it by repairing a marriage at the same time as I repair myself.  And that is a hard thing to do.

Devote yourself to.God.  get a job.  Get into a position wbere you can move out.

And for goodness same.  Stop uwing porn.

Good luck!

Humble Rich


 
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HumbleRich

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DO, just know that you are not alone.  You know, there are so many of us that have been through these problems and I have seen so many of the types of posts that you have been writing, that I am starting to think that it is the porn and internet addictions themselves tbat cause huge deficits.  It seems to me to be the only explanation for how we could all find ourselves in these situations that are exactly the same.

I knkw you are older than me, but had I not found someone when I went to graduate school I could easily be in the exact same situation you are in now.  If my parents didn't kick me out, that is.  Which they came very close to doing.

DO, I habe been addicted to porn since I was say 15 or 16.  I bave been battling against porn since I was about 17 or 18 years old.  I got serious about it around about when I started college when I was nineteen, and even more serious when I started dating my first serious girlfriend at 23.  That relationship ended when we graduated college and I was back in my parents house after that.  Then went to.grad school and, as I mentioned above, was back in my parents house right after that.

My point is, just five or six years ago, I was sitting in my parents guest house, on my ass, writing tbe exact same posts as you.

The same desperation.  Tbe same hopelessness, interrupted by occassional episodes of passion and optimism. 

Just like you I was unemployed or underemployed.  I was living with my parents.  I was single and alone.  I wasn't a virgin (not that there is anything wrong with that), and I certainly wasn't dating or having sex.

But my point is this: I had the same tremendous opportunity that you habe now, and I DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT!  And I will always regret it.  Always!

I knkw how you are feeling.  I know that it feels like the world will end if you don't ha e sex.  I know that you feel destitute and alone.  I've been there.  Done that.  Trust me, life with porn addiction gets no better once you have sex.  Just more complicated, and now there is someone else to screw over too.

I am begging you.  Pleading with you.  Get sober now!  Get rid of porn/sex/internet addiction now as a single man!  Do it!

You won't regret it.  It will turn your whole life around. 

Let go kf the need for release and reboot.  Life can only get better without this crap in your life.  Just do it!

Best,

HumbleRich

 

DepressedAndOut

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Thank you for your advice.

But just to clarify : I have a job and I'm studying.

Unfortunately, as I live with my parents as my job is not highly paid enough, I can't go out and meet someone !! Not until I secure better paid job!

Thanks for your advice, but I would appreciate if we stick to scientific evidence as much as possible, please.

Thank you.
 

sargam

New Member
Hi depressed and out.

Your words on middle age suicide made me reply to you.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem so don't ever think about suicide.

You mentioned" This obviously also meant that girls are a no-no until I get a secure job and get married. (whatever happened to that life plan!)"  I have to tell you that if you keep waiting for a secure job then your life will go by and you will regret it.

Humans are sexual animals and once you find true love you will definitely enjoy sex with your partner. So in my opinion don't wait for a women to fall into your arms , instead be a go getter and peruse to get a women's love with all your heart.

Now since you are a virgin don't expect your partner to be a virgin too. The probability that she might be "well experienced" is very high in today's time.

I am sure that once you will fall in true love , you will loose your virginity. and you will realize that the wait is worth waiting for.
 

DepressedAndOut

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Thank you for your words . Unfortunately for me, virginity is now only the least of my problems.

It is possible now that I might never be able to regain my natural erections. It's clear that this addiction to porn, that I wasn't aware of at the time, has left lasting changes on my brain. I understand porn addictions' effects are the same of cocaine.

In fact, after my last relapse last week, I saw changes for the first time since being aware of this problem. (Penis shrunk and less blood flow) this has horrified me to the point of despair and thoughts of suicide. Is this reversible or not??

More importantly , is it reversible for someone who doesn't have a foundation in their brain of previous sexual experience?? This is what truely is killing me right now. The uncertainty of whether I would be able to perform with a real partner is on the back of my mind 24/7 when it's not in the forefront. 

Again, I'm living a complete nightmare of a life. Being in my mid 30s and still not having one intimate moment with a female is sickening and making me feel like I want the ground to open up and swallow me in. Not to mention the nearly rock bottom self esteem.
 

PE30

Well-Known Member
Your biggest problem isn't your ED, or your virginity, or the size of your penis, or the blood flow to your penis, or the length of time you've spent watching porn, or your sexual performance.

Your biggest problem is how you see yourself.

I know that the porn/PIED etc don't help with self-image, but I'd like to hear you talk positively about yourself. Tell me three things you like about yourself. And don't tell me you can't think of any! You can :)

Have you talked to a doctor about the suicidal thoughts? I think you should. You are always better alive.
 

sargam

New Member
DepressedAndOut said:
Thank you for your words . Unfortunately for me, virginity is now only the least of my problems.

It is possible now that I might never be able to regain my natural erections. It's clear that this addiction to porn, that I wasn't aware of at the time, has left lasting changes on my brain. I understand porn addictions' effects are the same of cocaine.

In fact, after my last relapse last week, I saw changes for the first time since being aware of this problem. (Penis shrunk and less blood flow) this has horrified me to the point of despair and thoughts of suicide. Is this reversible or not??

More importantly , is it reversible for someone who doesn't have a foundation in their brain of previous sexual experience?? This is what truely is killing me right now. The uncertainty of whether I would be able to perform with a real partner is on the back of my mind 24/7 when it's not in the forefront. 

Again, I'm living a complete nightmare of a life. Being in my mid 30s and still not having one intimate moment with a female is sickening and making me feel like I want the ground to open up and swallow me in. Not to mention the nearly rock bottom self esteem.

There is a huge negative vibe around you and you should get rid of that.

For starters request admin to change your user name : I am sure you will recall many names with positive vibe , rather than depressed and out.

And stop thinking about Suicide as it will make you more depressed
 

DepressedAndOut

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Last night I went out alone and visited a casino. There were beautiful waitresses there and an exotic dancer on a table. There was also a TV screen showing girls dancing.

The good news: I was not interested in the screen whatsoever, I was simply hooked on the beautiful girls around.

The bad news: I didn't get a bonner from seeing the nakedest girls that I've ever seen in real life.

I decided to take my visit to the next step and started talking to one of the girls:

The first girl, a beautiful waitress, I asked her out. Unfortunately she said no. But this was the first time I asked someone out and upon doing this, I felt a little ererction. And also felt some feel good hormones.

The second girl, she was messaguger - she offered to give me a message. (On my back fully clothed)

It felt nice that a girl was touching me like that - but again, no bonner. (Mayb because this was done out in public rather than in a private room...?)

Anyway, the message felt good. I later on asked her out, unfortunately she declined. This time, upon asking her out, I didn't feel the little erection or hormone rush that I did when I asked out the first girl. I was attracted to both of them.

Is this normal? Does this also mean that if I have sex for the first time, I might be able to have an erection but later on I won't get an erection? ( or a decent one)

I then apologised to both girls if I made them feel uncomfortable, thankfully they were both fine with it.

That night, when I came back home, I had a feeling of negativity towards all those years of staying in and masturbating to a screen, and a positive feeling for going out. ( and wanting to repeat the later!)

And that's that - I really don't know if I learned anything from that.


 

toph

Active Member
Hey, I think that the fact you went out is a great step forward. That is very significant. Keep it up man.
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
Yes, I was in London for couple of weeks so I decided I needed to go out.

Unfortunately today I'm going back to my normal life living just outside of Cambridge and relying on public transport, which means my opportunity to go out will be a bit limited.

Plus, I still don't have anyone to go out wth - which makes it awkward for me to enter nightclubs.

I'm still living in fear that I will never heal. Which is making me sick pretty much every waking hour. :(

 

PE30

Well-Known Member
Hey

Just to let you know that I work in Cambridge so if you ever fancy a pint or coffee then I'm happy to meet up. I'm not much of a nightclub guy however! DM me if you were interested.
 

DepressedAndOut

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I'm really embarrassed to meet people now that they know my story!  :-[

Do you fancy chatting through FB? https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007070627325

 

DepressedAndOut

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I'm now one month into my first ever hardmode, but unfortunately I don't notice even a small sign of improvement.

Today, I was checking tinder (for a date, not for gratification), but unfortunately I came across a picture of someone that looked like a pornstar. Unfortunately at that point I felt my brain sort of shaking and go a little bit hot.

And now I'm worried that this short moment has wiped out my "progress". Is this considered a relapse, considering the feelings that I felt upon looking at that picture? (albeit it was a brief moment,)

Also, it's going to be extremely difficult to avoid such moments for the rest of my life. It's times like these that make me feel that this is a lost battle.
 
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