Ah….I think my message came out wrong. My point was that when I started reading up on the no masturbation thing which was 18 months ago, I found that there seemed to be some who just referred to it as NoFap and others were saying No masturbation (including no ejaculation at all), then there seemed to be this separate group who were talking about “semen retention “ as if there was a distinction. And the SR crowd seemed to embody those knucklehead traits as if there were different types of non masturbaters. I guess I was just plain wrong or I misunderstood. Apologies for unclear message.